Reduction of Order ODE - Stuck on question

In summary, the question asks how to solve for y1=x, y2=y1f(x), and y3=y2-y1. Using y2=y1f(x), y3=y2-y1, and solving for y1 and y2, the problem states that y1=x and y2=y1f(x). However, when solving for y3, the problem states that y3=y2-y1 is not a solution, and the solution is not given for y3.
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Reduction of Order ODE - Stuck on question! Help Please!

The question says that y1= x is a solution to:

x^3 y'' + x y' - y = 0

It then says to use y2 = y1 f(x)

So I can do it this far and then I just get lost and my notes don't seem to clear anything!

I'm just going to say y(2) = y2 , f = f(x) and y = y1 just to make it easier!

So:

y(2) = f x
y'(2) = f' x + f
y''(2) = f'' x + 2f'

then sub it in:

x^3 (f'' x + 2f') + x (f' x + f) -f x = 0
f'' x^4 + f' ( 2x^3 + x^2) + f (x - x) = 0
Therefore: f'' x^4 + f' (2x^3 + x^2) = 0
Then my notes say that f' = g
So: g' x^4 + g (2x^3 + x^2) = 0
Then rearrange and integrate:
INT(1/g) dg = -INT(x^-2 + 2x^-1) dx
Ln(g) = 1/x - 2ln(x)
So g = exp(1/x) - x^2
As f' = g
f = INT (exp(1/x) - x^2) dx
So f = x exp(1/x) - 1/3x^3
I then put the final answer for y(2) into the equation but it doesn't equal 0 therefore its not a solution and wrong =S! So I've gone wrong somewhere. The question then goes onto say obtain a general solution and I am not sure how to do that either!
Any help would be good :smile: Thanks
 
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Hi J--me! :smile:
J--me said:
Ln(g) = 1/x - 2ln(x)
So g = exp(1/x) - x^2

nooo :redface:
 
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Hey!
Lol! Thanks!
Should g = -x^2 exp(1/x)?
 
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J--me said:
Hey!
Lol! Thanks!
Should g = -x^2 exp(1/x)?
Again no! ln(a-b)= ln(a/b).
 
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nooo! :cry:

third try? :smile:
 
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>.<! I may need a fourth try..

Ok so ln(a-b) = ln(a/b)
sooo: 0 = 1/x - ln(x^2) - ln(g)
0 = 1/x - ln(x^2/g)
Therefore: g = x^2 exp(-1/x) ? =S but if i use ln(a+b) = ln(a*b) then i get:
g = x^-2 exp(1/x) ? =S! o_O (sorry if I am doing something really silly!)
 
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J--me said:
g = x^-2 exp(1/x) ? =S!

At last! :biggrin:
 
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Cool! Thanks! =D! So the integration of that is g = f' so:
f = INT (g) dt = -exp(1/x) what do i do now to get the general solution?? =S
 
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J--me said:
x^3 y'' + x y' - y = 0

It then says to use y2 = y1 f(x)

so your general solution is y = xf

(btw, you lost a solution of f' = g = 0 earlier on when you divided by g :wink:did you notice that?)
 
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Oh right so the general solution is just y(2) = -x exp(1/x) Thanks!

(Where did i lose a solution?? =S)
 
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you divided by g, which you can't do if g = 0 …
J--me said:
So: g' x^4 + g (2x^3 + x^2) = 0
Then rearrange and integrate:
INT(1/g) dg = -INT(x^-2 + 2x^-1) dx

that means you lost the solution g = 0 (so f = constant, so y = Cx)
 

1. What is the Reduction of Order method for solving ODEs?

The Reduction of Order method is a technique used to solve ordinary differential equations (ODEs) of the form y'' + p(x)y' + q(x)y = 0. It involves reducing a higher-order ODE to a first-order ODE by introducing a new variable and then solving the resulting first-order equation.

2. When should I use the Reduction of Order method?

The Reduction of Order method is most commonly used when one solution to the ODE is known, and we want to find a second linearly independent solution. It is also useful when the ODE is of the form y'' + p(x)y' + q(x)y = 0, where p(x) and q(x) are functions of x.

3. What are the steps involved in using the Reduction of Order method?

The steps for using the Reduction of Order method are as follows:
1. Assume a second solution of the form y = u(x)v(x), where u(x) is a new variable and v(x) is the known solution.
2. Substitute this into the original ODE and solve for u(x).
3. Use the solution for u(x) to find the second solution, y(x) = u(x)v(x).
4. If necessary, use initial conditions to determine the specific solution.

4. What are the advantages of using the Reduction of Order method?

The Reduction of Order method allows for the solution of higher-order ODEs, which may be difficult or impossible to solve using other methods. It also provides a systematic approach for finding a second solution when one is known.

5. Can the Reduction of Order method be used for non-linear ODEs?

No, the Reduction of Order method can only be used for linear ODEs. Non-linear ODEs have different techniques and methods for solving them.

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