Riding a Rollercoaster: Conservation of Energy, Radial Acc., & Tangential Acc.

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a car in an amusement park ride moving without friction on a circular loop. The question asks for the minimum value of the starting height needed for the car to stay on the loop without falling off the top. The solution involves using the conservation of energy equation and setting the final height to be twice the radius of the loop. In part (b), the conversation discusses finding the speed, radial acceleration, and tangential acceleration of the car at a specific point on the loop using equations for conservation of energy and acceleration. The tangential acceleration can be found using the change in height and the radial acceleration can be found using the velocity squared over the radius of the loop.
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Homework Statement


A car in an amusement park ride rolls without friction around the rack shown in homr1.gif. It starts from rest at point A at a height h above the bottom of the loop. Treat the car as a particle.

(a) What is the minimum value of h (in terms of R) such that the car moves around the loop without falling off the top (point B)?

(b) If h = 3.50R and R = 20.0m, compute the speed, radial acceleration, and tangential acceleration of the passengers when the car is at point C, which is at the end of a horizontal diameter. Show these acceleration components in a diagram, approximately to scale.

Homework Equations



K1 + U1 = K2 +U2
K1=1/2m(V2)^2 V2 represents the second value for the velocity
K2=1/2m(V1)^2 V1 represents the first value for the velocity
U1=mgh1 h1 represents the first height, the initial height
U2=mgh2 h2 represent the recorded height
Acceleration = Radial Acceleration + Tangential Acceleration
Radial Acceleration = V^2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


(a)mgh1 + 1/2m(V1)^2 = mgh2 + 1/2m(V2)^2 from here the value of the mass cancels
gh1 + 1/2(V1)^2 = gh2 + 1/2(V2)^2 Point B is at the top of the loop -> h2=2R
And V1 = 0 because the car was at rest
gh1 = g2R +1/2(V2)^2
h1 = (2gR + 1/2(V2)^2)/g

(b) (This is where I have ran into trouble, unless I have already made mistake in part a)

I plug in the values R and H to the equation, and solve for V2. I come out with velocity being 31.3m/s. From here do I simply use Radial Acceleration = V^2/R and assume that the Tangential Acceleration is gravity because the car is perpendicular to the ground?

I solved for the final velocity at the bottom of the circle using the conservation of energy equation and found that value to be 37.04m/s. I also solved for the distance traveled, which is 1/4 of the circle using 1/4 * 2 * (3.14)R.

I then used Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2a(y-yo) and got 6.3m/s^2. Would this be equivalent to tangential acceleration. And if so, I would not plug in the distance traveled on the loop but the change in height. Sorry, I'm thinking while I'm typing this up.

Thank you for any help that you can provide!
 

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In (a) you need to deal with the condition "without falling off the top".
This means it needs to be going fast enough so that the force of gravity doesn't pull it down (cause it to accelerate down more than its centripetal acceleration on the circular loop). Alternatively, you can think of gravity as providing the centripetal force - but no more than that or it falls.

We can't see your diagram until it is approved, which probably won't be tonight. An alternative is to upload it to a free photo site such as photobucket.com and post a link here. Use the IMG link if you have that option.
 
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As a scientist, it is important to note that the conservation of energy principle is crucial in understanding the dynamics of a rollercoaster ride. In this case, the car's initial potential energy (mgh) is converted into kinetic energy (1/2mv^2) as it moves down the loop, and then back into potential energy as it reaches point B. This means that the car must have enough initial height (h) to provide the necessary potential energy to reach point B without falling off.

In terms of the given values, the minimum height required for the car to move around the loop without falling off can be calculated as h = (2gR + 1/2V^2)/g, where R is the radius of the loop and V is the final velocity at point B. This equation can be derived from the conservation of energy principle, as shown in your attempt at part (a).

Moving on to part (b), it is important to consider the different types of acceleration involved in this situation. The radial acceleration, which is responsible for keeping the car moving in a circular path, can be calculated using the equation a = V^2/R. This means that the car's radial acceleration at point C would be equal to (31.3m/s)^2 / 20m = 48.9m/s^2. This is the acceleration that is shown on the diagram, as it is always directed towards the center of the loop.

The tangential acceleration, on the other hand, is responsible for the change in the car's tangential velocity (or speed) as it moves around the loop. In this case, the tangential acceleration can be calculated using the equation a = (Vf^2 - Vi^2)/d, where Vf is the final velocity, Vi is the initial velocity (which is 0 in this case), and d is the distance traveled on the loop. As you correctly noted, this distance is 1/4 of the circumference of the loop, which is equal to 1/4 * 2 * π * R = πR/2. Substituting the given values, we get a tangential acceleration of (37.04m/s)^2 / (πR/2) = 6.3m/s^2. This acceleration is also shown on the diagram, as it is always directed tangentially to the loop.

In summary, the conservation of energy, radial
 

Related to Riding a Rollercoaster: Conservation of Energy, Radial Acc., & Tangential Acc.

1. What is the conservation of energy on a rollercoaster?

The conservation of energy on a rollercoaster refers to the principle that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred from one form to another. This means that the total energy of a rollercoaster, which includes its potential energy (due to height) and kinetic energy (due to motion), remains constant throughout the ride.

2. How does radial acceleration affect a rollercoaster ride?

Radial acceleration is the acceleration towards the center of a circular path. On a rollercoaster, this acceleration is responsible for the feeling of being pushed to the side during turns and loops. It is also a key factor in keeping the rollercoaster on its track and preventing it from flying off.

3. What is tangential acceleration on a rollercoaster?

Tangential acceleration is the acceleration in the direction of motion. On a rollercoaster, this acceleration is responsible for the feeling of being pushed forward or backward as the rollercoaster speeds up or slows down. It is also a key factor in determining the speed and velocity of the rollercoaster at any given point on the ride.

4. How is the conservation of energy related to the design of a rollercoaster?

The conservation of energy plays a crucial role in the design of a rollercoaster. Designers must carefully consider the height and speed of the rollercoaster in order to maintain the conservation of energy and ensure a safe and thrilling ride. If the rollercoaster has too much potential energy at the top of a hill, it may not have enough kinetic energy to make it through the rest of the track.

5. How do engineers use physics to create a smooth rollercoaster ride?

Engineers use their knowledge of physics, specifically the principles of conservation of energy, radial acceleration, and tangential acceleration, to design a rollercoaster that provides a smooth and enjoyable ride. They must carefully balance the forces acting on the rollercoaster and ensure that it follows a smooth and consistent path to prevent any sudden changes in acceleration that could be uncomfortable or dangerous for riders.

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