Speed of light in a dark matter medium

In summary, the conversation discusses the speed of light in different mediums, specifically in relation to dark matter. It is determined that dark matter does not have a significant effect on the speed of light due to its low density and lack of interaction with light. However, it is noted that dark matter does cause lensing and redshift. The concept of dark matter passing through the fabric of space from another universe is also mentioned, but it is ultimately concluded that dark matter is defined as invisible matter with mass.
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The speed of light in a vacuum is the universal constant c. The speed of light in a medium is something less than c; let's call it s.

Has the positive difference (c-s) been observed as light travels through ordinary matter in space such as gaseous nebula or plasma nebula? If no, is it because the mean inter-particle distance is large compared to the wavelength of the light?

Has the positive difference (c-s) been observed as light travels through clouds of dark matter? If no is it because dark matter does not interact with light regardless of density?
 
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To influence the speed of light, matter has to have some "weak"* interaction with the medium. Dark matter does not have this in a significant way.
For the density of molecular nebula, I found 10^5 particles/cm^3 as estimate. This has to be compared with ~10^19 particles/cm^3 in our atmosphere, altering the speed of visible light by just 0,03%. Using the upper value of 600ly diameter in the Wikipedia article and assuming everything is linear, this corresponds to a time delay of roughly 50 nanoseconds. There is no way to see this, even if my estimate is wrong by several orders of magnitude.

*incoherent scattering on free charges like in a plasma won't help, as it changes the direction of the light
 
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The speed of light is altered by the refractive index of the medium through which it travels. The refractive index of a medium is dependent on the electric charge to mass ratio of its constituent particles. The charge to mass ratio of dark matter has been determined to be extremely small, so its refractive index is nearly [but not quite] zero. For discussion see 'Dark Matter Constraints from a Cosmic Index of Refraction', http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.1612.
 
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This article “How Gravitational Lensing Shows Us Dark Matter” makes it clear that light does indeed interact with dark matter. The Bullet Cluster is the most famous example of this.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/04/20/how-gravitational-lensing-show/

Dark matter alters the null geodesic (curves the spacetime) owing to its mass, therefore the light from a distant source is “lensed” by its presence. Is it correct to call this a “change in the velocity of light”? This would imply that light climbing out of an overdensity of dark matter is red-shifted. Conversely, light would be blue-shifted falling into the gravitational potential well of an overdensity of dark matter.
 
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No its not a change of its speed.
Lensing is a refraction effect or changes in direction.
You are correct on the
redshift aspects however redshift is a lengthening of a signals wavelength not the signals rate of travel. A 1 Ghrz signal travels the same rate of velocity as a 60 hertz signal.

Mfb above gave some figures in regards to light slowing down due to a medium. From his figures its easy to see that the medium needs a substantally dense/cold medium before any measurable effect.
Dark matter is not dense enough to slow down light measurably. However it does cause lensing and redshift. As the article Chronos posted mentions that refraction index is low enough not to significantly alter the speed of light
 
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Well, the gravitational influence of matter leads to the Shapiro delay. This has nothing to do with the electromagnetic interaction, however - it is just a result of the mass.
 
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What if dark matter has no mass at all because it is passing through the fabric of space it self from another universe and that is why we have no way to catch a particle yet?
 
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Dark matter is defined to be invisible stuff with mass.

Do you have some theory in mind, which could be described as "[dark matter] passing through the fabric of space it self from another universe"?
 

Related to Speed of light in a dark matter medium

1. What is the speed of light in a dark matter medium?

The speed of light in a dark matter medium is believed to be the same as in a vacuum, which is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second. This is based on the current understanding of the laws of physics.

2. How does the speed of light in a dark matter medium compare to the speed of light in a vacuum?

As mentioned, the speed of light in a dark matter medium is believed to be the same as in a vacuum. This means that in both mediums, light travels at approximately 299,792,458 meters per second.

3. Can the speed of light in a dark matter medium be measured?

Currently, there is no way to directly measure the speed of light in a dark matter medium as dark matter is invisible and does not interact with light. However, scientists can study the effects of dark matter on the movement of light and make predictions based on current theories.

4. How does the presence of dark matter affect the speed of light?

Dark matter is believed to have a negligible effect on the speed of light. This is because dark matter is thought to be spread out very thinly throughout the universe, while light travels in a straight line and is not affected by the gravitational pull of dark matter.

5. Is there any evidence to support the theory of the speed of light in a dark matter medium?

While there is currently no direct evidence, the theory of the speed of light in a dark matter medium is based on our current understanding of physics and is supported by mathematical models and simulations. Further research and observations may provide more evidence in the future.

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