Spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms

In summary, the conversation discusses questions about the wave function of Hydrogen-like atoms and its properties. The "ensemble" refers to a large number of atoms being measured and a subset of those atoms being considered in the 3p state with zero \hat{n}\cdot \hat{L}. The Y on the left side is in an eigenstate of \hat{n} \cdot \hat{L}, while the Y_{lm} on the right side are eigenstates of L_z. The vector \hat{n} parametrizes the direction of the spin and the components should be normalized. The conversation also delves into the use of spherical harmonics in understanding the wave function.
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Hi.

http://www.nt.ntnu.no/users/jensoa/E-FY1006-31mai2012.pdf

Please open the link and go to page 11, problem 3.

It appears, after all, I understand nothing when it comes to the wave function of Hydrogen like atoms. So I kindly ask you to answer some questions I got:

1) "A selection of these atoms will then be left in an ensemble described by the wave function ##\psi(r,\theta,\phi)## " - can somebody please translate this? What, precisely, is an ensemble?

2) What does it mean when the angular function ##Y(\phi,\theta)## is a linear combination of other ##Y_{lm}(\phi,\theta)## functions? Like, in the problem, "##Y(\phi,\theta) = Y_{p_x} n_x + Y_{p_y} n_y + Y_{p_z} n_z ##", meaning ##Y## is a combination of a bunch of p-orbital states. How can this be? Surely an electron can only be in one state, one orbital, after measurement?

Or does this have something to do with the ensemble stuff?

3) "##Y = \sqrt{\frac{3}{4 \pi}} \hat{n} \cdot \hat{r}##" - Why are they multiplying the direction vector with a normal vector? How does this become the angular function?

Thank you.
 
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Oh it seems one of the reasons I was struggling on this is that the details concerning orbitals aren't part of the curriculum this year (so we didn't go through it in detail). What a waste of time.

But can somebody still please answer the 3 questions? I am curious
 
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1. The "ensemble" is a reference to the fact that "a large number of such atoms" were measured. They measured the properties of a bunch of cesium ions, and then they consider a subset of those that they measured in the 3p state with zero [itex]\hat{n}\cdot \hat{L}[/itex]. All of these have definite values of these three quantum numbers, but if you want to know the probability distribution of another observable, you should make a bunch of independent observations of that observable on the individual ions in this ensemble. So they represent a statistical ensemble in the following sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_ensemble_(mathematical_physics)

2. The question is poorly worded for something presented to an intro QM student. The [itex]Y[/itex] on the left-hand side is in an eigenstate of [itex]\hat{n} \cdot \hat{L}[/itex], while the [itex]Y_{lm}[/itex] on the right hand side are eigenstates of [itex]L_z[/itex]. For [itex]\hat{n} \neq \hat{z}[/itex], these will not coincide. If you now measure [itex]L_z[/itex], the state will collapse into one of its eigenstates.

3. Recall that [itex]\vec{r} = r \cos(\theta) \sin(\theta) \hat{x} + r \sin(\theta) \sin(\theta) \hat{y} + r \cos(\theta) \hat{z} = x \hat{x} + y \hat{y} + z \hat{z}[/itex]. So by looking at the spherical harmonics, [itex]z = CrY_{10}[/itex], [itex]x pm iy = \mp KrY_{1\pm1}[/itex] with constants C and K. Does this help with understanding why one could have [itex]Y = \sqrt{\frac{3}{4\pi}}\hat{n} \cdot \hat{r}[/itex]?
 
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1. The "ensemble" is a reference to the fact that "a large number of such atoms" were measured. They measured the properties of a bunch of cesium ions, and then they consider a subset of those that they measured in the 3p state with zero [itex]\hat{n}\cdot \hat{L}[/itex]. All of these have definite values of these three quantum numbers, but if you want to know the probability distribution of another observable, you should make a bunch of independent observations of that observable on the individual ions in this ensemble. So they represent a statistical ensemble in the following sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_ensemble_(mathematical_physics)

OK. So from the ensemble you can measure the probability of finding the electron in the 3px,3py or 3pz given it is in the 3p orbital?

2. The question is poorly worded for something presented to an intro QM student.
oh it's not a problem from the text, it's just something I don't understand about the text. I didn't ask for help with solving the problems, just with understanding them.

The [itex]Y[/itex] on the left-hand side is in an eigenstate of [itex]\hat{n} \cdot \hat{L}[/itex], while the [itex]Y_{lm}[/itex] on the right hand side are eigenstates of [itex]L_z[/itex].
Why?
3. Recall that [itex]\vec{r} = r \cos(\theta) \sin(\theta) \hat{x} + r \sin(\theta) \sin(\theta) \hat{y} + r \cos(\theta) \hat{z} = x \hat{x} + y \hat{y} + z \hat{z}[/itex]. So by looking at the spherical harmonics, [itex]z = CrY_{10}[/itex], [itex]x pm iy = \mp KrY_{1\pm1}[/itex] with constants C and K. Does this help with understanding why one could have [itex]Y = \sqrt{\frac{3}{4\pi}}\hat{n} \cdot \hat{r}[/itex]?
Well OK, fair enough. So ##n_x##, ##n_y## and ##n_z## are normalization coefficients or something?
 
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Since the spin is initially measured along the [itex]\hat{n} \cdot \hat{r}[/itex] direction, the wave function you're given is in an eigenstate of [itex]\hat{n} \cdot \vec{L}[/itex]. That's why Y takes the form is does. See if you can convince yourself that, if [itex]\hat{n} = \hat{z}[/itex], everything still holds. No matter which direction you measure, you can always rewrite it in another basis. The problem seems to be rewriting in terms of 3px, 3py, 3pz.

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Well OK, fair enough. So ##n_x##, ##n_y## and ##n_z## are normalization coefficients or something?

The components of [itex]\hat{n}[/itex] parametrize which direction the spin was originally measured along. They should be normalized (it's a unit vector), and they characterize the probability distribution the wave function is current in.
 
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1. What are spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms?

Spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms are mathematical functions that describe the spatial distribution of electron orbitals in an atom. They are used to solve the Schrödinger equation for Hydrogen-like atoms, which determines the allowed energy levels and wavefunctions of the electrons.

2. How are spherical harmonics related to the electronic structure of atoms?

Spherical harmonics play a crucial role in determining the electronic structure of atoms. They describe the shape, orientation, and angular momentum of the electron orbitals, which in turn determine the energy levels and chemical properties of atoms.

3. What is the significance of the quantum numbers in spherical harmonics?

The quantum numbers in spherical harmonics represent the energy level, orbital angular momentum, and magnetic quantum numbers of the electrons in Hydrogen-like atoms. These quantum numbers determine the spatial distribution and orientation of the electron orbitals, and therefore, the electronic structure of atoms.

4. How do spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms differ from other types of spherical harmonics?

Spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms are specific to the electronic structure of these atoms. They have a radial component that is dependent on the distance from the nucleus and an angular component that is dependent on the orientation and shape of the electron orbitals. Other types of spherical harmonics may have different radial and angular components, depending on the system being studied.

5. How are spherical harmonics used in practical applications?

Spherical harmonics of Hydrogen-like atoms are used in various fields, such as quantum chemistry and atomic physics. They are used to calculate the energy levels and wavefunctions of electrons in atoms, which can then be used to predict the chemical properties and spectroscopic behavior of atoms. Spherical harmonics are also used in image processing and computer graphics to represent and manipulate spherical objects.

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