Spivak Ch1, Q8: Deducing Basic Properties of Numbers

In summary: You need to start with a<b and show that a+c<b+c.P'11:(P'11) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and b < c, then a < c.From P'12, a+c-b-c<0->a+c-b<cc-b>0, then (c-b)+a>0+athus a<a+c-b<cTherefore we have deduced P'11.You haven't deduced P'11 here. You've just stated it again. You also haven't used P'11 at all.P'10:(P'10) For any numbers a and b one, and
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Homework Statement


Although the basic properties of inequalities were stated in terms of the collection
P of all positive numbers, and < was defined in terms of P, this
procedure can be reversed. Suppose that P10-P12 are replaced by
(P'10) For any numbers a and b one, and only one, of the
following holds:
(i) a = b,
(ii) a < b,
(iii) b < a.
(P'11) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and b < c, then
a < c.
(P'12) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b, then
a+c<b+c.
(P'13) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and 0 < c, then
ac < bc.
Show that P10-P12 can then be deduced as theorems.

Homework Equations


Addition properties:

P1: (Associative law of addition) (a+b)+c=a+(b+c)
P2: (Existence of additive identity) a+0=0+a=a
P3: (Existence of additive inverse) a+(-a)=(-a)+a=0
P4: (Commutative law of addition) a+b=b+a

Multiplication properties:
P5: (Associative law of multiplication) a x (b x c)=(a x b) x c
P6: (Existence of multiplicative identity) a x 1=1 x a=a
P7: (Existence of multipliative inverse) a x a-1=a-1 x a=1 (If a is different from zero)
P8: (Commutative law of multiplication) a x b=b x a
Distributive property
P9: (Distributive law) a x (b+c)=(a x b)+(a x c)

Order properties:
Let P be called the collection of positive numbers, then:
P10: (Trichotomy Law) For every a, exactly one of the following happens: a=0, a is in P or -a is in P
P11: (Closure under addition) If a and b are in P, a+b is in P
P12: (Closure under multiplication) If a and b are in P, a x b is in P

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm really not entirely sure what the question is asking me to do. I believe it is asking me to show that P'10-P'13 are true from the properties P1-P9 and thus the statements in P10-P12 are also true.

Here is my attempt at doing that.

Starting with:

(P'12) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b, then
a+c<b+c.
From P3, if a<b, then a+(-b)<b+(-b)
-> a-b<0
Thus a-b+c-c<0
->(a+c)+(-b-c)<0
->(a+c)-(b+c)+(b+c)<0+(b+c)
->a+c<b+c
Thus we have deduced P'12

Now P'11:
(P'11) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and b < c, then
a < c.

From P'12, a+c-b-c<0
->a+c-b<c
c-b>0, then (c-b)+a>0+a
thus a<a+c-b<c
Therefore we have deduced P'11.

I'm fairly confident in these 2, the next 2 are where I don't feel as though my proof is very good.

P'10:
(P'10) For any numbers a and b one, and only one, of the
following holds:
(i) a = b,
(ii) a < b,
(iii) b < a.

Using P7, if a<b then 1<b/a, which would mean 1<1 if a=b. From (P3) a+(-a)=0, thus b+a+(-a)=0+b. So 1<1 and 1=1 cannot both be true and thus if a<b then it can't also be true that a=b.

Similarly for b<a, then 1<a/b, implies 1<1 if a=b. So i cannot be true if either ii or iii are true. Lastly if b<a is true and a<b is true then both b-a<0 and a-b<0 would have to be true.

Assuming a>0 and b>0, then from P9, a(b-a)<0 and a(a-b)<0 are both true, thus -a^2+ab<0->a^2>ab and from a(a-b)<0 a^2<ab. a^2<ab<a^2 cannot be true unless a=0.

Similarly we can find that b^2<ab<b^2 would only be true if b=0. Thus if both ii and iii were true it would cause contradictions in 0=0 and 0<0 and a=b, which we've already established cannot be true. So i, ii and iii are exclusive and P'10 is true.

P'13.
(P'13) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and 0 < c, then
ac < bc.

a<b->a-b<0<c. Using P9, c(a-b)<0<c(c)
-> ca-cb<0<c^2.
Then applying P3, ac-bc+bc<0+bc
-> ac<bc
Therefore we have deduced P'13.

For P10, since we've shown that either a=b, a<b or b<a. Then if a=0 clearly b<a or (-b)<a as b=/=a and one of either b<a or (-b)<a must be true. So any number x must either be a=0, a<0 or (-a)>0.

I believe I still must somehow show that P11 and P12 statements are true somehow and then from that I would simply state that the set P can represent all numbers a>0 or (-a)>o, if a<0.

That's basically what I got, again I'm not entirely sure that I've understood the question properly.
 
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Noxate said:

Homework Statement


Although the basic properties of inequalities were stated in terms of the collection
P of all positive numbers, and < was defined in terms of P, this
procedure can be reversed. Suppose that P10-P12 are replaced by
(P'10) For any numbers a and b one, and only one, of the
following holds:
(i) a = b,
(ii) a < b,
(iii) b < a.
(P'11) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and b < c, then
a < c.
(P'12) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b, then
a+c<b+c.
(P'13) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b and 0 < c, then
ac < bc.
Show that P10-P12 can then be deduced as theorems.

Homework Equations


Addition properties:

P1: (Associative law of addition) (a+b)+c=a+(b+c)
P2: (Existence of additive identity) a+0=0+a=a
P3: (Existence of additive inverse) a+(-a)=(-a)+a=0
P4: (Commutative law of addition) a+b=b+a

Multiplication properties:
P5: (Associative law of multiplication) a x (b x c)=(a x b) x c
P6: (Existence of multiplicative identity) a x 1=1 x a=a
P7: (Existence of multipliative inverse) a x a-1=a-1 x a=1 (If a is different from zero)
P8: (Commutative law of multiplication) a x b=b x a
Distributive property
P9: (Distributive law) a x (b+c)=(a x b)+(a x c)

Order properties:
Let P be called the collection of positive numbers, then:
P10: (Trichotomy Law) For every a, exactly one of the following happens: a=0, a is in P or -a is in P
P11: (Closure under addition) If a and b are in P, a+b is in P
P12: (Closure under multiplication) If a and b are in P, a x b is in P

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm really not entirely sure what the question is asking me to do. I believe it is asking me to show that P'10-P'13 are true from the properties P1-P9 and thus the statements in P10-P12 are also true.
You're being asked to assume P1-P9 and P'10-P'13 are true and prove that P10-P12 follow as a consequence.

(P'12) For any numbers a, b, and c, if a < b, then a+c<b+c.
From P3, if a<b, then a+(-b)<b+(-b)

You can't say that a<b implies a+(-b) < b+(-b) because that implication is exactly what you're setting out to prove here.

But as I said, that's not what the problem is asking you to do anyway.
 

1. What is the purpose of Spivak Ch1, Q8?

The purpose of Spivak Ch1, Q8 is to help readers gain a deeper understanding of the basic properties of numbers through deductive reasoning and logical thinking.

2. What are the basic properties of numbers discussed in Spivak Ch1, Q8?

The basic properties of numbers discussed in Spivak Ch1, Q8 include the commutative, associative, and distributive properties, as well as the identity and inverse properties for addition and multiplication.

3. How does Spivak use examples to explain these properties?

Spivak uses various numerical examples and diagrams to illustrate how these properties work. He also guides readers through logical deductions and proofs to help them understand the underlying mathematical concepts.

4. What is the significance of understanding these properties?

Understanding these properties is crucial for building a strong foundation in mathematics. They are fundamental principles that are used in more advanced mathematical concepts and are essential for solving equations and problems in algebra, calculus, and other branches of mathematics.

5. How can readers apply the knowledge gained from Spivak Ch1, Q8?

Readers can apply the knowledge gained from Spivak Ch1, Q8 in various mathematical contexts, such as solving equations, simplifying expressions, and proving theorems. They can also use these properties to develop critical thinking skills and improve their overall mathematical proficiency.

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