Tension on a massless pulley homework.

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of tension in a pulley system with a string and two masses. It is explained that the tension in the string can be assumed to be the same on both sides if certain assumptions are made, including a frictionless, light pulley and string. The question of how tension can vary along the string is also addressed, noting that this can only occur if the string has mass and is accelerating. The importance of tension in preventing the masses from falling with acceleration g is emphasized.
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Crystal037
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How come tension would act if the pulley is massless? also, can you tell me how the tension varies along a string
Relevant Equations
tension depends on distance...
please explain
 
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Crystal037 said:
please explain
it is the case when a string is around a pulley and two masses are there on either side of pulley
also how come tension act if we consider the rope to be massless as well
 
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Crystal037 said:
it is the case when a string is around a pulley and two masses are there on either side of pulley
also how come tension act if we consider the rope to be massless as well

The point about the pendulum being light is so that the tensions on both sides can be assumed to be the same. If there is a mass, then we would need to worry about its moment of inertia and the tensions on both sides would not necessarily be the same.

In these types of pulley mechanics questions, tension doesn't depend on distance. In fact, if we make the assumptions that the:
- pulley is frictionless (no friction acting)
- pulley is light (no torque to accelerate the pulley)
- string is light (no force needed to accelerate the string)

then the magnitude of the tension is the same everywhere in the string. This is because we assume the string has no mass.

Why is there tension?
Not sure if I have the best explanation here. The block is going to pull down on the rope and therefore will exert a force on the string. One can exert a force on an object irrespective of its mass.

Quick read that might help as well: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/tension-in-a-massless-string.708085/

Hope that was of some help
 
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Crystal037 said:
How come tension would act if the pulley is massless? also, can you tell me how the tension varies along a string

Relevant Equations. tension depends on distance...
There must be tension or both masses would fall with acceleration g. Do you mean, how can tension be different on the two sides? It can be different if the pulley has mass (and is accelerating) or there is axial friction.

Tension can only vary along the string (on one side of the pulley) if the string has mass and is accelerating.

If this does not answer your question, please post the entire problem as given to you, together with whatever answer or method is confusing you.
 
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1. What is a massless pulley?

A massless pulley is a theoretical device that is used in physics problems to simplify calculations. It is a pulley with no mass and no friction, meaning that it does not add any weight or resistance to the system it is a part of.

2. How is tension calculated on a massless pulley?

Tension on a massless pulley is calculated by considering the forces acting on the pulley. The tension in the rope or string on both sides of the pulley is equal, and the direction of the tension is determined by the direction of the weight or force acting on the pulley.

3. Why is a massless pulley used in physics problems?

A massless pulley is used in physics problems because it simplifies the calculations and allows for more accurate results. By assuming that the pulley has no mass or friction, it eliminates any additional forces or complications that may affect the outcome of the problem.

4. What is the difference between a massless pulley and a real pulley?

The main difference between a massless pulley and a real pulley is that a real pulley has mass and friction. This means that it will add weight to the system and may also affect the direction and magnitude of the tension in the rope or string.

5. Can a massless pulley exist in real life?

No, a massless pulley does not exist in real life. It is a theoretical device used in physics problems to simplify calculations and obtain more accurate results. In reality, all pulleys have some amount of mass and friction, even if it is very small.

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