Thermal Physics Problem -- Dropping a hot mass of iron into 20C water

In summary: You are welcome. BTW if you use the heat capacity ##C## instead of the product of mass and specific heat heat, the answer takes a familiar form $$T=\frac{C_1T_1+C_2T_2}{C_1+C_2}$$ which is just like the expression for the center of mass of two masses. The final equilibrium temperature is the heat-capacity-averaged temperature much like the center of mass is the mass-averaged position. With this in mind, you can have ##N## objects at different initial temperatures thrown together in a calorimeter and be able to write down the final temperature immediately:$$T_{\text{final}}=\
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Homework Statement
A piece of iron of mass 200g and temperature 300 degrees celcius is dropped into 1.00kg of water of temperature 20 degrees celcius.

Predict the final equilibrium of the water.

(Take c for iron as 540 J/kg/K and for water as 4200 J/kg/K).
Relevant Equations
Q=mcΔT)
Hi,

The solution for this question is

thermal energy lost= thermal energy gained
0.200x450x(300-T)=1.0x4200x(T-20)
T=26 degrees celcius.

However, I am struggling to grasp why (300-T) is used.

I have always known a change in something to be final - initial. Therefore change in T= Final- initial.

However, in the case of (300-T) Initial- Final is being used for the change and I am struggling to understand why.
 
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The temperature of the piece of iron has been reduced from the initial 300 to the final common value of T, which is shared by iron and water once the heat transfer has ended.
Please, note a typo error (540 versus 450).
You can read more about thermal equilibrium here:
https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/thermalP/u18l1d.cfm
 
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The solution is poorly presented and that is why you are struggling to understand it. The starting equation is
##m_1 c_1 \Delta T_1 + m_2 c_2\Delta T_2=0##.
If you replace the Deltas with actual differences, you get
##m_1 c_1 (T-T_1) + m_2 c_2(T-T_2)=0##.
Now move one of the terms to the other side of the equation and change sign
##m_1 c_1 (T-T_1) = - m_2 c_2(T-T_2) =+ m_2 c_2(T_2-T).##
 
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kuruman said:
The solution is poorly presented and that is why you are struggling to understand it. The starting equation is
##m_1 c_1 \Delta T_1 + m_2 c_2\Delta T_2=0##.
If you replace the Deltas with actual differences, you get
##m_1 c_1 (T-T_1) + m_2 c_2(T-T_2)=0##.
Now move one of the terms to the other side of the equation and change sign
##m_1 c_1 (T-T_1) = - m_2 c_2(T-T_2) =+ m_2 c_2(T_2-T).##
Excellent I've got it! Thank you!
 
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Woopa said:
Excellent I've got it! Thank you!
You are welcome. BTW if you use the heat capacity ##C## instead of the product of mass and specific heat heat, the answer takes a familiar form $$T=\frac{C_1T_1+C_2T_2}{C_1+C_2}$$ which is just like the expression for the center of mass of two masses. The final equilibrium temperature is the heat-capacity-averaged temperature much like the center of mass is the mass-averaged position. With this in mind, you can have ##N## objects at different initial temperatures thrown together in a calorimeter and be able to write down the final temperature immediately:$$T_{\text{final}}=\frac{m_1c_1T_1+m_2c_2T_2+\dots+m_Nc_NT_N}{m_1c_1+m_2c_2+\dots+m_Nc_N}.$$
 
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1. What is the initial temperature of the hot mass of iron?

The initial temperature of the hot mass of iron is not specified in the problem, so it can vary. However, for the sake of simplicity, it is often assumed to be around 100°C, which is the boiling point of water.

2. What is the final temperature of the water after the hot mass of iron is dropped in?

The final temperature of the water will depend on the mass and temperature of the iron, as well as the initial temperature and volume of the water. It can be calculated using the principle of thermal equilibrium, which states that the final temperature of the system will be the average of the initial temperatures of the two objects.

3. How does the temperature of the water change after the hot mass of iron is dropped in?

The temperature of the water will initially increase due to the transfer of thermal energy from the hot iron. However, as the system reaches thermal equilibrium, the temperature of the water will decrease until it reaches a final temperature.

4. Does the mass of the iron affect the final temperature of the water?

Yes, the mass of the iron will affect the final temperature of the water. A larger mass of iron will have a greater amount of thermal energy, which will result in a higher final temperature of the water.

5. What other factors can affect the final temperature of the water?

Aside from the mass and temperature of the iron, other factors that can affect the final temperature of the water include the initial temperature and volume of the water, the specific heat capacity of both objects, and the presence of any insulating materials that may prevent heat transfer.

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