Time-reparameterization invariance

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In summary, Lagrange multipliers are used to rewrite the action for a classical system in a time-reparametization-invariant way.
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This post considers an aspect of time-reparametization invariance in classical Hamiltonian mechanics. Specifically, it concerns the use of Lagrange multipliers to rewrite the action for a classical system in a time-reparametization-invariant way.

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Prelude:

Suppose we have a system with a single degree of freedom ##q(t)## with conjugate momentum ##p##, and action
$$I = \int dt\ L.$$
The Hamiltonian is the Legendre transform
$$H(p,q) = p\dot{q}-L(q,\dot{q})|_{p=\partial L/\partial\dot{q}}.$$
The independent variable ##t## is special. It labels the dynamics but does not participate as a degree of freedom.

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Time-reparametrization symmetry:

Let us introduce a fake time-reparameterization symmetry by labelling the dynamics by an arbitrary parameter ##\tau## and introducing a physical 'clock' variable ##T##, treating it as a dynamical degree of freedom. So we consider the system of variables and conjugate momenta
$$q(\tau),\qquad p(\tau),\qquad T(\tau), \qquad \Pi(\tau)$$
where ##\Pi## is the momentum conjugate to ##T##. This is equivalent to the original original system if we use the 'parameterized' action
$$I' = \int d\tau\ (pq'+\Pi T'-NR), \qquad R \equiv \Pi + H(p,q),$$
where prime ##= d=d/d\tau##. Here ##N(\tau)## is a Lagrange multiplier, which enforces the 'constraint equation'
$$\Pi + H(p,q) = 0.$$

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My difficulty lies with the introduction of the Lagrange multipliers. How do you show that the action

$$I' = \int d\tau\ (pq'+\Pi T'-NR), \qquad R \equiv \Pi + H(p,q),$$

with Lagrange multiplier ##N(\tau)##, reduces to the action

$$I' = \int d\tau\ (pq' - H(p,q)T')?$$
 
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spaghetti3451 said:
My difficulty lies with the introduction of the Lagrange multipliers. How do you show that the action

$$I' = \int d\tau\ (pq'+\Pi T'-NR), \qquad R \equiv \Pi + H(p,q),$$

with Lagrange multiplier ##N(\tau)##, reduces to the action

$$I' = \int d\tau\ (pq' - H(p,q)T')?$$

Well, they certainly are the same once you plug in [itex]R=0[/itex] (which implies that [itex]\Pi = -H[/itex]).
 
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stevendaryl said:
Well, they certainly are the same once you plug in [itex]R=0[/itex] (which implies that [itex]\Pi = -H[/itex]).

No, you solve the Euler-Lagrange equation for ##N## to find that ##R=0##. This is your constraint.
 
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spaghetti3451 said:
No, you solve the Euler-Lagrange equation for ##N## to find that ##R=0##. This is your constraint.

I think you have it backwards. The constraint is not something you prove is true. It's what you assume is true. Then you use the constraint to find the value of the Lagrange multiplier (if you care about that--it's usually not necessary).

The Euler-Lagrange equations do not uniquely determine [itex]\Pi[/itex], they only imply that [itex]\Pi[/itex] is a constant. And they also imply that [itex]H[/itex] is constant. So the combination [itex]\Pi + H[/itex] is some constant, but the Euler-Lagrange equations don't determine what that constant is. They give the following equations (varying all 4 quantities: [itex]q, p, \Pi, T[/itex]:

  1. [itex]\frac{dq}{d\tau} -N \frac{\partial H}{\partial p} = 0[/itex]
  2. [itex]-N \frac{\partial H}{\partial q} = \frac{dp}{d\tau}[/itex]
  3. [itex]\frac{dT}{d\tau} - N = 0[/itex]
  4. [itex]\frac{d\Pi}{d\tau} = 0[/itex]
There is no information about the value of [itex]\Pi[/itex] other than that it's constant. The constraint provides another equation: [itex]R = 0[/itex]. With that additional equation, you have 5 equations and 5 unknowns ([itex]p,q,\Pi,T, N[/itex].

Here's a much simpler example for using Lagrange multipliers: Suppose you want to maximize [itex]x+y[/itex] subject to the constraint that [itex]x^2 + y^2 = 1[/itex]. Then you create the variational problem: Maximize:

[itex]x + y - \lambda R[/itex] (where [itex]R = x^2 + y^2 - 1[/itex]

Varying x gives: [itex]1 - 2 \lambda x = 0[/itex]
Varying y gives: [itex]1 - 2 \lambda y = 0[/itex]

So the solution is [itex]x = \frac{1}{2\lambda}, y = \frac{1}{2\lambda}[/itex]. That doesn't determine the value of [itex]R[/itex] (and it also doesn't determine [itex]\lambda[/itex]). You just get: [itex]R = \frac{1 - 2 \lambda^2}{2\lambda^2}[/itex]. You have to impose [itex]R=0[/itex] as an additional equation, you can't derive it. Once you impose the constraint [itex]R = 0[/itex], you uniquely determine [itex]\lambda = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}[/itex], which allows you to solve for [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex].
 
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1. What is time-reparameterization invariance?

Time-reparameterization invariance is a concept in physics that refers to the idea that the laws of physics should not depend on the choice of time parameterization. In other words, the physical dynamics of a system should remain the same regardless of how time is measured or represented.

2. How does time-reparameterization invariance relate to Einstein's theory of relativity?

Einstein's theory of relativity is based on the principle of time-reparameterization invariance. This means that the laws of physics, including the famous equation E=mc^2, are the same regardless of the observer's frame of reference or the speed at which they are moving.

3. Why is time-reparameterization invariance important in quantum mechanics?

In quantum mechanics, time-reparameterization invariance is a key concept that helps to reconcile the theory with the principles of relativity. It allows for the mathematical description of physical systems to remain consistent, even when dealing with different reference frames or time scales.

4. Are there any known violations of time-reparameterization invariance?

So far, there have been no known violations of time-reparameterization invariance in the laws of physics. However, some theories, such as loop quantum gravity, suggest that there may be tiny deviations from this principle at the smallest scales of the universe.

5. How does time-reparameterization invariance impact our understanding of time and the universe?

Time-reparameterization invariance has significant implications for our understanding of time and the universe. It suggests that time is not an absolute concept, but rather a relative one that can be experienced differently by different observers. This also raises questions about the nature of time and whether it is truly continuous or discrete.

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