Understanding Complex Conjugates in QM (Griffiths pg. 13)

In summary, the conversation is discussing the proof of normalised solutions of Schrodingers equation staying normalised, specifically the use of complex conjugates in differential equations. The participants are trying to understand how taking the complex conjugate of Schrodinger's equation can be assumed to be true. The expert explains that this is a general property of complex numbers and can be formally shown.
  • #1
RahSuh
10
4
Homework Statement
Page 13 of Griffiths on Quantum Mechanics ( the part on Normalization)
Relevant Equations
Am look at the proof of normalised solns of Schrodingers Eqn stay normalised
Am looking at page 13 of QM by Griffiths - have become stuck on minor point. He is proving that a normalised solution of Schrodingers eqn stays normalised. The bit I don't get is how can you just take the complex conjugate of Schrodingers eqn and assume its true. (ie how does he get from Eqn 1.23 to Eqn 1.24) I assume it true but how ? I get that for example, the complex conjugate of the product of 2 complex numbers is the product of the complex conjugates etc - but does it apply to differential eqns. Can you just take the complex conjugates of differential eqns. Thanks for help in advance! (am sure its something very simple)
Normalisation.png
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
RahSuh said:
Homework Statement:: Page 13 of Griffiths on Quantum Mechanics ( the part on Normalization)
Relevant Equations:: Am look at the proof of normalised solns of Schrodingers Eqn stay normalised

Am looking at page 13 of QM by Grif tufiths - have become stuck on minor point. He is proving that a normalised solution of Schrodingers eqn stays no normalised. The bit I don't get is how can you just take the complex congugate of Schrodingers eqn and assume its true. I assume it true but how ? (I get that you the complex conjugate of the product of 2 complex numbers is the product of the complex conjugates etc - but does it apply to differential eqns. Thanks for help in advance! (am sure its something very simple)View attachment 315309
Yes. If you have any expression ##A = B## then ##A^*= B^*##. This holds true, even if we are taking the derivative with respect to a complex variable:
##\dfrac{dA}{dz} = B \implies \dfrac{dA^*}{d z^*} = B^*## (though we usually change the notation from ##z^*## to ##\overline{z}##.)

As t is usually taken to be real we don't do anything with that.

-Dan
 
  • #3
You can show that formally. After all, the left and right side of Schrodinger's equation are complex numbers (or expressions thereof).
One can always write two complex numbers as the sum of a real and an imaginary part,
##z_1=a_1+ib_1## and ##z_2=a_2+ib_2##.
If ##z_1=z_2##, it follows that ##a_1=a_2## and ##b_1=b_2##. Then
##z_1^*=a_1-ib_1=a_2-ib_2=z_2^*##, Q.E.D.
 
  • Like
Likes topsquark and hutchphd

1. What are complex conjugates in quantum mechanics?

Complex conjugates are pairs of complex numbers that have the same real parts but opposite imaginary parts. In quantum mechanics, they are used to represent the wavefunction of a particle and its corresponding probability amplitude.

2. Why are complex conjugates important in quantum mechanics?

Complex conjugates play a crucial role in quantum mechanics because they allow us to calculate the probability of finding a particle in a certain state. The square of the absolute value of a complex conjugate represents the probability density of finding the particle in a specific location.

3. How do complex conjugates relate to the Schrödinger equation?

In the Schrödinger equation, the complex conjugate of the wavefunction is multiplied by the Hamiltonian operator. This results in a real-valued expression, which is necessary for calculating the probability of finding a particle in a particular state.

4. Can complex conjugates have different magnitudes?

Yes, complex conjugates can have different magnitudes. The magnitude of a complex number is determined by its distance from the origin on the complex plane. Complex conjugates have the same magnitude but opposite signs for their imaginary parts.

5. How are complex conjugates used to calculate expectation values?

In quantum mechanics, expectation values represent the average value of a measurement for a given observable. Complex conjugates are used in the calculation of expectation values by multiplying the wavefunction by its complex conjugate and then integrating over all possible values. This results in a real number that represents the expected value of the observable.

Similar threads

  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
689
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
984
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
16
Views
1K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
14
Views
704
Replies
10
Views
3K
Back
Top