Is Uzbekistan Hiding Shocking Secrets?

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In summary: The fact that our government is using information obtained through torture is not only illegal, but also goes against basic moral principles. It is a sad reality that these actions are being carried out in the name of national security. As for the Bush Commission, it seems like a valid platform for discussing and shedding light on these issues, but it is unfortunate that there does not seem to be much recent activity. It is also upsetting that our government has yet to hold any high-ranking officials accountable for these actions. In summary, the conversation revolves around the testimony of Craig Murray, a former UK ambassador, who claims that the US is purchasing information obtained through torture in Uzbekistan. The group discusses the credibility of Murray and the implications of these actions. They also mention the
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I was pretty shocked listening to this, and was REALLY hoping that someone in the group would have some logical argument.

http://www.bushcommission.org/Audio/Craig_Murray%20Testimony.mp3

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk

Thanks
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You need to state specifically what you wish to discuss from that link, or the thread will be closed.
 
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What he's basically saying is that the US is purchasing information from Uzbekistan knowing full well that they are torturing people for the information. So I'm interested to know if:

A. People believe what Craig Murry has to say, and if now why.
B. What the implementations of this would be.

I guess I'm just amazed that I stumbled upon the information. I'm not very clued up when it comes to politics and was hoping to discuss the issue and hear peoples thoughts.
 
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Warrick, can you tell us what hearing that is in the mp3 file? Is the hearing current or has it been completed? Do you have a link to it?

Nevermind. It appears to have been given to the Bushcommission - a private entity conducting hearings on "Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration". This is their list of judges :
Adjoa A. Aiyetoro, Assistant Professor of Law, University of Arkansas at Little Rock; former Executive Director, National Conference of Black Lawyers (NCBL)

Dennis Brutus, former prisoner, Robben Island, South Africa, poet, Professor Emeritus, University of Pittsburgh

Abdeen Jabara, former President, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee

Ajamu Sankofa, Executive Director, Physicians for Social Responsibility-NY

Ann Wright, former US diplomat and retired US Army Reserve Colonel

http://www.bushcommission.org/?q=node/37

While I find the capability of the commission itself highly doubtful, I don't find very much of the content of Ambassador Murray's testimony unbelievable. Yes, it is laced with the usual slings and arrows, but the content as such doesn't strike me as implausible at all.
 
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That's a good point, I'd not look at who the Judges were and I'm not blown away by the list. I did think that the two speeches given by Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner were very good though and really got me wondering if this is some form of patriotic treason that the general public is guilty of by sitting back and watching this all go down.

I tried to research Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner and altough Michael Ratner seems legit I'm not 100% sure I understand who Harry Belafonte is and what his deal is.

Their two speeches can be viewed:
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Belafonte.wmv
and
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Ratner.wmv

or by clicking on the links on the front page of http://www.bushcommission.org/

I don't see anything recent happening on this commission so I'm not sure what their deal is lately.

Although I live in the U.S. I did not grow up here and am not familiar with all the history – has any U.S. president ever been accused and convicted of such crimes?
 
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Thanks for the clip, very informative.
 
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WarrickF said:
That's a good point, I'd not look at who the Judges were and I'm not blown away by the list. I did think that the two speeches given by Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner were very good though and really got me wondering if this is some form of patriotic treason that the general public is guilty of by sitting back and watching this all go down.

I tried to research Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner and altough Michael Ratner seems legit I'm not 100% sure I understand who Harry Belafonte is and what his deal is.

Their two speeches can be viewed:
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Belafonte.wmv
and
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Ratner.wmv

or by clicking on the links on the front page of http://www.bushcommission.org/

I don't see anything recent happening on this commission so I'm not sure what their deal is lately.

Although I live in the U.S. I did not grow up here and am not familiar with all the history – has any U.S. president ever been accused and convicted of such crimes?
Harry Belafonte was a singer.
 
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Thanks, I did not think I'd found the correct person when I read the bio. But it seems you're correct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Belafonte.

Although I would not sum it up quite that fast, he seems to have been quite a activist of the years.
 
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This is the first I have heard of Craig Murray, but from what is linked from here it seems seems like he is the type of guy we need in change instead of working under the amoral leadership we have.
 
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I could not agree with you more.
 

Related to Is Uzbekistan Hiding Shocking Secrets?

1. What is the shocking information about Uzbekistan?

The shocking information about Uzbekistan is its high prevalence of forced labor, particularly in the cotton industry. The country has been criticized for its use of forced labor in cotton production for decades, with reports of children and adults being forced to work long hours in hazardous conditions.

2. How widespread is the issue of forced labor in Uzbekistan?

The issue of forced labor in Uzbekistan is widespread, with an estimated 1-2 million people being forced to work in the cotton fields each year. This includes both adults and children, who are often pulled out of school to work in the fields.

3. Why does Uzbekistan continue to use forced labor in its cotton industry?

The use of forced labor in Uzbekistan's cotton industry is deeply ingrained in the country's economy and culture. The government controls the production and sale of cotton, and relies heavily on its export for revenue. Additionally, there is a lack of alternative job opportunities in rural areas, making it difficult for people to refuse forced labor.

4. What efforts have been made to address the issue of forced labor in Uzbekistan?

In recent years, there have been some efforts to address the issue of forced labor in Uzbekistan. The government has signed international agreements and passed laws to prohibit forced labor, and some companies have stopped sourcing cotton from Uzbekistan. However, there are still reports of forced labor persisting in the cotton industry.

5. What can be done to help end forced labor in Uzbekistan?

Ending forced labor in Uzbekistan will require a multi-faceted approach. This includes continued pressure from the international community, as well as supporting alternative job opportunities in rural areas and promoting education. Consumers can also make a difference by being conscious of where their cotton products come from and choosing to support companies that have ethical sourcing practices.

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