Verifying Coordinate System for Electric and Magnetic Forces

In summary, the conversation revolved around finding the direction of a magnetic field using the given electric field and force equations. Specifically, the participants discussed the velocity selector setup and how it can be used to determine the direction of the magnetic field. Some participants also pointed out errors in the calculations, such as incorrect units and a missing vector component for the velocity.
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Homework Statement
One proton experiences a force of $$1,10\cdot{10^{-13}}\;N$$ in the direction $$+y$$ due to a electric field
a) Calculate the direction and size of the electric field that causes the force
At a certain moment has a velocity of $$2\cdot{10^5}\;m/s$$
b) Calculate the magnetic field (size and direction) needed to apply so that the proton experienced a net force equal to zero
Data: $$q(p)=1,6\cdot{10^{-19}}\;C$$
Relevant Equations
$$\vec{E}=\dfrac{\vec{F_e}}{q}$$
Newton's second law
$$\vec{F_m}=q(\vec{v}\times{\vec{B}})$$
The attached file is the coordinate system I've used
a) $$\vec{E}=\dfrac{\vec{F_e}}{q}=\dfrac{1,10\cdot{10^{-13}}\hat{j}\;N}{1,6\cdot{10^{-19}}\;C}=6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N/C$$
b) $$\sum{\vec{F_{net}}}=\vec{0}=\vec{F_e}+\vec{F_m}$$
$$-6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N=q(\vec{v}\times{\vec{B}})=q\begin{vmatrix}\hat{i}&\hat{j}&\hat{k}\\v_x&v_y&v_z\\B_x&B_y&B_z\end{vmatrix}=q\left[(v_yB_z-v_zB_y)\hat{i}-(v_xB_z-v_zB_x)\hat{j}+(v_xB_y-v_yB_x)\hat{k}\right]=-qv_xB_z\hat{j}$$
The direction of $$\vec{B}$$ is $$+z$$
So $$\dfrac{6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N}{q\cdot{v_x}}\hat{k}=\vec{B}$$
$$2,15\times{10^{19}}\hat{k}T=\vec{B}$$
Have I done wright?
 

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mcastillo356 said:
At a certain moment has a velocity of $$2\cdot{10^5}\;m/s$$
It looks like you have only listed the scalar speed, not the vector velocity with direction. Was the direction of the proton's motion given in the problem?
 
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Check the units of E in your penultimate equation. You are off by ~##10^{19}##
Notice this balance holds only for a proton at a given speed (velocity actually @berkeman ) and the arrangement is very useful as a velocity selector for a charged particle beam (used in mass spectrometers often)
 
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Hi everybody. berkeman, hutchphd, TSny:
berkeman, the velocity they provide is only the given in the statement

And this other?:
$$-F_e\hat{j}\;N=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}\hat{j}\;N$$
$$-F_e=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}$$
$$-F_y=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}$$
$$B_z=\dfrac{F_y}{q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}}=3,44\;T$$
$$\vec{B}=3,44\;T\hat{k}$$

Salutes to everybody
 
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1. What is a coordinate system?

A coordinate system is a mathematical framework used to describe the position and orientation of objects in space. It typically consists of a set of axes, reference points, and units of measurement.

2. Why is it important to verify the coordinate system for electric and magnetic forces?

Verifying the coordinate system is important because it ensures that the correct mathematical equations and calculations are used to accurately describe and predict the behavior of electric and magnetic forces in a given system. Using the wrong coordinate system can lead to incorrect results and interpretations.

3. How do you verify the coordinate system for electric and magnetic forces?

The first step is to define the origin and orientation of the coordinate system. Then, the direction and magnitude of the electric and magnetic fields must be determined and aligned with the appropriate axes. It is also important to ensure that the units of measurement are consistent throughout the calculations.

4. Can the coordinate system for electric and magnetic forces change?

Yes, the coordinate system can change depending on the specific situation or problem being studied. For example, in a different location or with a different orientation of the electric or magnetic fields, a different coordinate system may be more appropriate.

5. What happens if the coordinate system is not verified for electric and magnetic forces?

If the coordinate system is not verified, it can lead to incorrect calculations and predictions of the behavior of electric and magnetic forces. This can result in errors in experiments and potentially hinder the understanding of these fundamental forces.

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