Wavefunction of ionized hydrogen electron

In summary, the conversation discusses the ionization of electrons in hydrogen atoms and the behavior of their wave functions. It is stated that as the quantum number approaches infinity, the energy remains finite and the electron can become unbound from the nucleus. The wave function in this case resembles a scattering state, which is an oscillating sine wave close to the nucleus. However, for energies greater than 13.6 eV, the solutions are not sine waves but rather a product of a Laguerre polynomial and a decaying exponential. It is also mentioned that the unbound states are briefly mentioned in some notes, but further effort is required to understand them.
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When you solve the schrodinger equation and get the wavefunctions for hydrogen is there a point where the quantum number becomes so high the electron gets ejected and breaks free. If so what would the wave function look like
At what point does the electron become ionized in the hydrogen atom solution
 
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There is an infinite number of bound states, so no, there is no "point where the quantum number becomes so high the electron gets ejected and breaks free."

That said, even as ##n \rightarrow \infty## the energy remains finite, so it is possible to have an electron no longer bound to the nucleus. Its wave function then looks like a scattering state, which is basically an oscillating sine wave, except close to the nucleus.
 
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DrClaude said:
There is an infinite number of bound states, so no, there is no "point where the quantum number becomes so high the electron gets ejected and breaks free."

That said, even as ##n \rightarrow \infty## the energy remains finite, so it is possible to have an electron no longer bound to the nucleus. Its wave function then looks like a scattering state, which is basically an oscillating sine wave, except close to the nucleus.
What happens to the angular component of the wavefunction when the electron gets ionized.
 
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DrClaude said:
There is an infinite number of bound states, so no, there is no "point where the quantum number becomes so high the electron gets ejected and breaks free."

That said, even as ##n \rightarrow \infty## the energy remains finite, so it is possible to have an electron no longer bound to the nucleus. Its wave function then looks like a scattering state, which is basically an oscillating sine wave, except close to the nucleus.
How do you show that as n goes to infinity The radial wavefunction becomes a sine wave
 
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Physicsman88 said:
What happens to the angular component of the wavefunction when the electron gets ionized.
That depends on how ionization takes place.

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How do you show that as n goes to infinity The radial wavefunction becomes a sine wave
That's not what happens. For E < 13.6 eV, you have an infinite number of bound states with the wave function a product of a Laguerre polynomial and a decaying exponential. For E > 13.6 eV, the solutions are sines as ##r \rightarrow \infty##, like what is obtained for a (finite) square potential, as found in most QM textbooks.
 
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How do you mathematically show that the solutions are sines for the radial wavefunction when E>13.6 eV like is there a proof for it
 
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Physicsman88 said:
How do you mathematically show that the solutions are sines for the radial wavefunction when E>13.6 eV like is there a proof for it
Since they aren't, you don't. They are sines for unbound particles in Cartesian coordinates.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Since they aren't, you don't. They are sines for unbound particles in Cartesian coordinates.
So if the unbounded radial wavefunctions arent sine waves what are they then
 
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Physicsman88 said:
So if the unbounded radial wavefunctions arent sine waves what are they then
My slaves! Solve this equation for me!

Are you going to put in any effort at all? Seriously - if careful reading of replies is too much effort, and Googlinmg "wave equation in spherical coordinates" is too much effort, how do you expect to make any progress? We can't simply pour information into your head.

For an l=0 case, the wavefunction is of the form sin(kr-wt)/r.
 
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The unbound hydrogen states are briefly mentioned on page 231 of these notes.
 
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1. What is the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron?

The wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron is a mathematical description of the probability of finding the electron at a certain position in space. It is represented by the Greek letter psi (ψ) and is used to describe the behavior of the electron in quantum mechanics.

2. How is the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron calculated?

The wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron is calculated using the Schrödinger equation, which takes into account the electron's energy, position, and potential energy. This equation is solved using complex mathematical techniques to determine the probability of finding the electron at a specific location.

3. What does the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron tell us?

The wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron tells us about the electron's behavior and probability of being in a certain location. It can also provide information about the electron's energy and momentum.

4. Can the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron be observed?

No, the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron cannot be directly observed. It is a mathematical concept that describes the behavior of the electron in quantum mechanics. However, its effects can be observed through experiments and measurements.

5. How does the wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron change over time?

The wavefunction of an ionized hydrogen electron changes over time according to the Schrödinger equation. As the electron interacts with its environment, the wavefunction evolves and can be used to predict the electron's behavior at different points in time.

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