Why are Lagrange points called libration points, and....

In summary, Lagrange points are points in space where the gravitational and centrifugal forces from two massive bodies add up to zero, allowing a third body to maintain a stable orbit. Libration, on the other hand, is an apparent oscillating motion seen from a rotating frame of reference. Lagrange points can be described as either points where the gravitational forces keep the third body in orbit with the same period as the second body, or points where the combined gravitational and centrifugal forces cancel out.
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Two questions about Lagrange points.

(1) According to Wikipedia, "libration is a perceived oscillating motion of orbiting bodies relative to each other," whereas the Lagrange points are, with respect to two bodies, null points for a (real or hypothetical) third body with respect to the sum of the gravitational (or centrifugal: see next question) forces on that third body (assuming the third body's mass is negligible compared to each of the other two) . What do the two concepts have to do with one another so that they are considered identical? That is, (a) if something is at a Lagrange point, it is not oscillating, and (b) libration concerns the perception from an observer being on one of the two bodies bodies, whereas the Lagrange points concerns the state of an observer at a third point. I don't see the connection.

(2) Some sites say the sum of the centrifugal forces, which is to say that there is no total inertia: the third body is motionless with respect to the two other bodies. In the situation in question, can you have one without the other: that is, where either (a) the sum of the gravitational forces is zero, but the sum of the centrifugal forces is not, or (b) the sum of the centrifugal forces is zero yet the sum of the gravitational forces is not? If either one of these is the case, then which one (gravitational or centrifugal) would be correct in the definition of Lagrange (or libration) points?
 
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nomadreid said:
That is, (a) if something is at a Lagrange point, it is not oscillating, and (b) libration concerns the perception from an observer being on one of the two bodies bodies, whereas the Lagrange points concerns the state of an observer at a third point. I don't see the connection.
Bodies don't stay exactly in Lagrange points, but oscillate around them, as seen from one of the main bodies(i.e. in a rotating frame of reference). Look up e.g. 'tadpole orbit', which is an orbit of a body near L4 or L5.

I'm sorry, I don't understand your second question.
 
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Thanks for the reply, Bandersnatch. That is a good answer to my first question.
The second question could be asked another way:
Which of the following would be the correct definition, or are they equivalent?
(A) Lagrange (libration) points are, with respect to two bodies, null points for a (real or hypothetical) third body with respect to the sum of the gravitational forces on that third body (assuming the third body's mass is negligible compared to each of the other two) .
(B) Lagrange (libration) points are, with respect to two bodies, null points for a (real or hypothetical) third body with respect to the sum of the centrifugal forces on that third body (assuming the third body's mass is negligible compared to each of the other two) .
 
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Neither of those is correct, unless I'm still reading it wrong. Neither just gravitational nor just centrifugal forces add up to zero.
Lagrange points are either:
a) (in an inertial frame of reference) points where gravitational forces from two massive bodies add up to a sufficient value to keep the third body in orbit with the same period as that of the orbit of the second body.
b) (in a rotating frame) points where gravitational and centrifugal forces add up to zero.
 
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Many thanks for the excellent answers, Bandersnatch. :smile:
 

1. Why are Lagrange points called libration points?

Lagrange points are named after the Italian mathematician, Joseph-Louis Lagrange, who first discovered them in 1772. The term "libration" refers to the apparent oscillation or "wobbling" motion of these points, as seen from a rotating frame of reference.

2. How many Lagrange points are there?

There are five Lagrange points in a system where two large masses orbit each other, such as the Earth and the Moon. These points are labeled L1, L2, L3, L4, and L5, with L1, L2, and L3 being collinear (along a straight line) with the two masses, and L4 and L5 being equidistant from them.

3. What are the characteristics of Lagrange points?

At Lagrange points, the gravitational forces of the two large masses cancel out, allowing smaller objects to maintain a stable position relative to the two masses. This makes them ideal locations for spacecraft and satellites to observe and study the Earth and the Moon, as they can maintain their position without using a lot of fuel.

4. Why are Lagrange points important in space exploration?

Lagrange points provide stable locations for spacecraft to gather data and perform scientific experiments. They also serve as potential launch points for future missions to other planets and objects in our Solar System, as they require less energy to reach than launching directly from Earth.

5. How are Lagrange points used in satellite communication?

Satellites can be placed in Lagrange points to provide continuous communication coverage between two planets or objects. For example, the DSCOVR satellite is located at the L1 point between the Earth and the Sun, providing real-time data on solar winds and space weather that can affect Earth.

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