Why is continuity necessary before applying the Extreme Value Theorem?

In summary, the conversation discusses the question of whether ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and the reasoning behind it, noting that this statement is not valid due to the value not being in the domain. The conversation also touches on the use of the extreme value theorem and the importance of continuity in applying it.
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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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For this problem,
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

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ChiralSuperfields said:
Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Please see below

For this problem,
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

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We get always a higher value with every 9 we add.

3 is a supremum (lowest higher boundary) of the function, but not a maximum (highest value).
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?
You are confusing the function value with a value in the domain. 2.9999999 is not even in the domain.

With that correction, your question becomes "Why cannot we say that ##f(0.999999999) ≥ f(x)##?
Note that there are values of x closer to 1 than 0.99999999, so for those x-values, f(x) > f(0999999999).
In case you aren't aware, the extreme value theorem doesn't apply here, as far as a maximum value is concerned. The necessary condition is that the function must be continuous on a closed bounded interval. The graph of the left branch of the function is continuous only on the half-open interval [0, 1) and is discontinuous at x = 1.
 
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What part of the problem states that the Extreme Value Theorem is required to prove the problem statements? This example shows that continuity is required before the Extreme Value Theorem can be applied. I suspect that you have misunderstood the point of the example.
 
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1. Why is continuity important in mathematics?

Continuity is important in mathematics because it ensures that a function is well-behaved and has no abrupt changes or breaks. This allows for the use of various mathematical tools and techniques, such as the Extreme Value Theorem, to accurately analyze and understand the behavior of the function.

2. What is the Extreme Value Theorem?

The Extreme Value Theorem states that a continuous function on a closed interval will have both a maximum and minimum value within that interval. In other words, the function must attain its highest and lowest values at some point within the interval.

3. How does continuity relate to the Extreme Value Theorem?

Continuity is a necessary condition for the Extreme Value Theorem to hold. This means that if a function is not continuous on a closed interval, the theorem cannot be applied and there may not be a maximum or minimum value within that interval.

4. Can the Extreme Value Theorem be applied to discontinuous functions?

No, the Extreme Value Theorem only applies to continuous functions. If a function is discontinuous on a closed interval, it may not have a maximum or minimum value within that interval.

5. Are there any exceptions to the Extreme Value Theorem?

Yes, there are some cases where the Extreme Value Theorem may not hold. For example, if the function is not defined on the entire closed interval or if the interval is unbounded, the theorem may not apply. Additionally, if the function is not differentiable on the interval, the theorem may not hold.

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