Why particles have group velocity?

In summary, a single wave function for a particle is a summation (integral) with an average position and average momentum. A single wave of the type ##\psi = e^{ikx}## is unnormalizable in ##x##, has infinitely sharp momentum (##\hbar k##) but no position. A wave packet (e.g. a gaussian wave packet) has a position (with some variance) and a momentum (with some variance).
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I just confused about it.Why can't we discribe a particle just one wave function instead of wave packet(group of waves with different phase velocities)?
 
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And how would you do that ?
Can you quote context, reference, example ?
 
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My referance is Quantum Mechanics Concepts and Applications
Second Education written by Nouredine Zettili
Page is 38 section 1.8 Wave Packets
 
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Doesn't help me.

In general:
A single wave function for a particle is generally a summation (integral) with an average position and average momentum.
A single wave of the type ##\psi = e^{ikx}## is unnormalizable in ##x##, has infinitely sharp momentum (##\hbar k##) but no position.

A wave packet (e.a gaussian wave packet, which google) has a position (with some variance) and a momentum (with some variance). A phase velocity and a group velocity.
 
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arda said:
I just confused about it.Why can't we discribe a particle just one wave function instead of wave packet(group of waves with different phase velocities)?
A wave packet is one wave function. But it can be written as a sum of other, simpler wave functions. This sum is nothing but the Fourier expansion (or transform) of the wave function. It is not much different from the fact that 375 is one number, but it can be written as a sum of simpler numbers as
$$375 = 3\cdot 100 + 7\cdot 10 + 5\cdot 1$$
With an abuse of language, someone could say that 375 is a "packet" of numbers.
 
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Actually, we describe particles using wave functions. For example, with electrons in solid state physics, we basically solve Schrodinger equation to get eigenvalues and eigenfunctions. However, the picture of the wave function is something spreaded in the whole solid which is inconsistent with classical concept of electrons. So we use the wave packet to explain the transition from the quantum mechanics to classical picture.
 
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1. Why do particles have group velocity?

The concept of group velocity arises from the wave-particle duality of matter. In quantum mechanics, particles can also behave like waves, and group velocity is a property of these waves. It describes the speed at which a group of particles, or a wave packet, moves through a medium.

2. How is group velocity different from phase velocity?

Phase velocity is the speed at which the individual waves that make up a wave packet travel. Group velocity, on the other hand, is the speed at which the entire wave packet moves. In some cases, these velocities may be the same, but in other cases, they can differ significantly.

3. What factors affect the group velocity of particles?

The group velocity of particles can be affected by various factors, such as the properties of the medium the particles are traveling through, the energy and momentum of the particles, and the interactions between the particles themselves. These factors can cause the group velocity to change or even become negative in certain situations.

4. How is group velocity related to the uncertainty principle?

The uncertainty principle states that the more precisely we know the position of a particle, the less precisely we can know its momentum, and vice versa. This is also true for wave packets, where a more precise knowledge of the position of the wave packet leads to a less precise knowledge of its momentum. This uncertainty in momentum is related to the group velocity of the wave packet.

5. Can group velocity be greater than the speed of light?

No, according to the principles of relativity, the group velocity of a particle or wave packet cannot exceed the speed of light. However, in certain situations, the group velocity may appear to be greater than the speed of light due to effects such as tunneling or quantum entanglement. These effects do not violate the principles of relativity, as they do not involve the actual transfer of information at superluminal speeds.

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