Why the inside of a box is coherent

In summary, the key to maintaining a coherent superposition in a system is isolation from the environment. In Schrodinger's thought experiment, the cat inside the box represents a quantum system that is adequately isolated, while the observers outside the box are part of the environment and therefore cannot be in superposition. The concept of measurement and observation is also related to the interaction with the environment. The difference between a real and thought experiment is that in a real experiment, the system is not perfectly isolated and may interact with the environment, causing decoherence. This concept was not fully understood until later developments in quantum mechanics.
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So in isolating a system so that it is in superposition in a volume of space, why is it the inside of the box gains coherence and the outside doesn't?

It seems to me either the inside and outside have non-symmetric properties, coherence is limited to a maxium volume or density of decoherent particles. The cat inside the box (for instance) does not hypothesize that the outside observers are in superposition, why not? What is different inside and outside the box? Does coherence begin but run into too great of density/volume of stuff and coherence simply can't take hold and fade away outside the box?

Clarifications?
 
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To me, the actual difference is between Gedanken Cat and Real Cat. Considering a thought ("gedanken") experiment, physicists place into the box a "gedanken cat" which is merely a molecular system. No wonder, it can be in a superposition or in a mixed state. But, considering a real cat, the molecular system is no more than the cat's "physical interface", to interact physically with other things.
 
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If I'm understanding correctly, you're asking why the cat inside the box isn't measured while a cat outside of the box is? you might want to wait for other users as I'm not an expert (understatement of the year...) but the Idea is that measurement is a physical process ,i.e. it's driven by a certain Hamiltonian (complex exponent of the conjugate of the given measurable multiplied by the measurable itself), and it's assume that the box forces a Hamiltonian of an infinite potential well, and as such measurement cannot occur.
 
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The original question is not completely clear, but if (as the replies above are assuming) the question is about how the cat can be in a coherent superposition inside the box while we all agree that the world outside the box cannot be, then the question is based on a mistaken premise. The point of Schrodinger's thought experiment was to point out a problem with then-current (1930ish) interpretation of the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics: it seemed to predict that the cat would be in such a superposition even though we all know perfectly well that what we really have is a box containing either a dead cat or an alive cat, and there's nothing surprising about not knowing which iuntil we look. It took the best part of the next half-century to understand what the math was really saying; David Lindley's book "Where does the weirdness go?" is a good layman-friendly popularization.

For the more general question in the original post: The key to maintaining a system in a coherent superposition is adequately isolating it from the environment around it. Measurement and observation only come into the picture because measuring devices are part of the environment, so when we're allowing the quantum system to interact with a measuring device to make an observation we've lost the isolation from the environment.
 
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Binax011 said:
So in isolating a system so that it is in superposition in a volume of space, why is it the inside of the box gains coherence and the outside doesn't?

It seems to me either the inside and outside have non-symmetric properties, coherence is limited to a maxium volume or density of decoherent particles. The cat inside the box (for instance) does not hypothesize that the outside observers are in superposition, why not? What is different inside and outside the box? Does coherence begin but run into too great of density/volume of stuff and coherence simply can't take hold and fade away outside the box?

Clarifications?
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1406.3221
 

Related to Why the inside of a box is coherent

1. Why is the inside of a box coherent?

The inside of a box is coherent because it follows the principles of geometry and construction. When a box is built, the sides are carefully measured and cut to fit together perfectly, creating a cohesive and stable structure.

2. How does the coherence of a box affect its strength?

The coherence of a box is directly related to its strength. A well-constructed box with coherent sides will be more resistant to external forces and less likely to collapse or deform. The cohesiveness of the box also helps distribute weight evenly, making it more stable.

3. Can a box still be considered coherent if it has holes or gaps?

Yes, a box can still be considered coherent even if it has holes or gaps. As long as the overall structure is intact and the sides are connected in a stable manner, the box can maintain its coherence. However, the presence of holes or gaps may weaken the box and affect its strength.

4. How does the material of a box affect its coherence?

The material of a box can greatly impact its coherence. Some materials, like cardboard, are more prone to bending or collapsing under pressure, which can compromise the coherence of the box. On the other hand, materials like wood or metal are more rigid and can help maintain the coherence of the box even under stress.

5. Is the coherence of a box important in everyday use?

The coherence of a box is essential for its functionality and durability in everyday use. Whether it is used for storage, shipping, or as a container for goods, a coherent box is necessary to protect its contents and maintain its shape. Without coherence, a box may not be able to fulfill its intended purpose effectively.

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