"You had an accident when you were a child involving water."

[zoobyshoe]

I was reading the Wikipedia article on cold reading and came across this statement in the list of "Barnum statements" that can be used during cold readings. A "Barnum statement" is a statement that sounds specific but is actually applicable to most people.

This particular one about having an accident involving water as a child really strikes me as too specific to apply to most people. The fact that, I, myself, did have an accident involving water as a kid does not change this. We went swimming once at a local lake. Someone had thrown a broken bottle in the water and I stepped on it. We had to abandon the swimming to take me to the doctor to get stitches.

That, of course, strikes me as a pretty specific sort of accident that wouldn't apply to most people. In other words, the suggestion of 'an accident involving water' becomes erroneously specified in my mind to 'cutting your foot on a broken bottle while playing in the water,' and I would credit a psychic who threw that out with being much more specific than they actually were. Which makes this particular Barnum statement an especially effective one: you unconsciously recast it to have described your particular childhood accident involving water.

Anyway, I would like to ask people to post reports of their accidents during childhood involving water. Just about everyone should have one.

 

[Enigman]

Cut my toe on a broken tile in a swimming pool.

 

[jedishrfu]

swallowed some water while swimming in deep water, choked a bit and then coughed it up...

 

[Medicol]

I often drank water in the swimming pool, I do now too. It seems inevitable in every swimming. Some enter even my nostrils then heat them up.
I have not met anyone aquaphobia before.

 

[julian]

As a toddler brought a kettle of boiler water down on myself. In person wouldn't have to be psychic though cus left a big scare - not anywhere that mattered though.

 

[Borek]

Cut my knee on something. Not that I would treat it as an "accident", but if someone were suggestive enough and I would want to help them, it would do.

 

[lisab]

I had several mishaps.

One very early memory is getting hit by a large wave at the beach. It knocked me off my feet and the current rolled me out towards the ocean. I remember my mom grabbing my arm and pulling me up out of the water. I was maybe 3.

When I was six, I could swim well. We were visiting a pool I hadn't been to before. It looked about two feet deep so I jumped in. Dang refraction! I was shocked to discover it was well over my head, but I was so disoriented all I did was flounder. The lifeguard had to save me!

Several more, but I really wasn't a child for those.

 

[julian]

I think mine is the best - Freddy Krueger arm. I would be the example that propagates as an awesome hit by some psychic and makes a good story. Yeah I've heard this off the Richard Dawkins interviewing Derren Brown.

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[jbunniii]

Does peeing in the swimming pool count as an "accident"?

 

[Borek]

Does peeing in the swimming pool count as an "accident"?

Only if you pee from the springboard.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I think mine is the best - Freddy Krueger arm. I would be the example that propagates as an awesome hit by some psychic and makes a good story. Yeah I've heard this off the Richard Dawkins interviewing Derren Brown..

Yes, I think the story of how the psychic knew about your accident would surely spread as proof of their ability. Derren Brown is particularly bothered by psychics who prey on people's misfortunes this way. (You would, of course, have paid something like 40 Pounds for the reading.)

Does peeing in the swimming pool count as an "accident"?

I know a girl who leaned up against a railing at Disneyland and the railing broke. She wasn't hurt, but she said it made her feel enormously fat (which she wasn't). She told me there wasn't a day that goes by when she doesn't think about the incident ( and this was 6-7 years later). So, if peeing in a pool were somehow traumatic for some overly sensitive person, it's what they'd think of when the psychic said "accident involving water."

 

[Dembadon]

I feel like many people will automatically assume an accident involving a body of water, when the statement does not preclude many other possible scenarios:

• Spilling water on an expensive electronic device
• Slipping in a puddle of water and hitting one's head on a hard surface
• Spilling boiling water on someone
• etc.

My first time surfing I got caught in a rip-tide and almost drowned due to exhaustion. I didn't know to swim parallel with the shore to get out of it, and spent a lot of energy trying to swim against it back to shore.

 

[Evo]

I fell through a "sand hole" while wading at the beach, if my mother hadn't been standing next to me and reacted so quickly, I could have been drowned.

 

[leroyjenkens]

I was backing up on an above ground pool deck to get a running start to jump into the pool, and fell off the back. I fell into some soft dirt, but cut my back on some razor wire and my liver was hanging out. Actually it was just some leaves that left a red mark on my skin. I was fine.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I'm not actually finding there's enough response to be confident you could say this to almost anyone and get a hit.

 

[Evo]

I'm not actually finding there's enough response to be confident you could say this to almost anyone and get a hit.

Make a poll, it seems to me most respondents in this thread had water incidents, but that's skewed by asking people that have had incidents as opposed to saying they didn't. Also, just by asking the question, the so-called 'psychics' are implanting the idea into the victims minds that they had an experience. It's no surprise that people that seek out a "medium/psychic" are already "open/gullible" to suggestion.

 

[julian]

Here is the Dawkins/Brown interview: They talk about cold reading and Barnum statements including the water comment. I listen to Derren Brown explain stuff but I'm not confident in everything he says - but then his TV/live shows (still on TV though) he manages to pull it off...That could be just editing and of course in TV shows selection of participants - I have never been to one of his live shows.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Make a poll, it seems to me most respondents in this thread had water incidents, but that's skewed by asking people that have had incidents as opposed to saying they didn't.

The thread's had 152 views, but only ten people, including myself, have anything like a water accident to report.

Also, just by asking the question, the so-called 'psychics' are implanting the idea into the victims minds that they had an experience. It's no surprise that people that seek out a "medium/psychic" are already "open/gullible" to suggestion.

If you artificially convince someone they had a water accident they didn't actually have, it won't have the aura of wonder about it of you, the psychic, having "known" they cut their foot on a broken bottle at the beach, or whatever specific incident they misremember you as having mentioned. The artificially convinced person would just walk away wondering why they don't remember this accident involving water the psychic found so important. The point of a Barnum statement is to state something that applies to most people, but which most people don't realize applies to most people. That's the trick, not convincing them they had an experience they didn't. The latter would be a different sort of trick (and probably harder to pull off).

 

[Astronuc]

I did fall into a pool in the shallow end, and came to an abrupt stop when my head slammed into the bottom. I can't remember if I dove in, fell or was pushed. All I remember is that it felt like someone hit me in the head with a hammer.

I have inadvertently swallowed a mouthful of seawater when a big wave hit me, and I have been slammed into the seafloor by big waves. Not so much accidents, as events.

While not an accident, when I was about 11 or 12, I was almost drowned by a mentally challenged individual (young adult) who did not seem to realize that I was not a toy (it was at a summer camp for mentally challenged individuals, and I was there with one of the children of a staff member). He kept grabbing me and holding me underwater. Fortunately someone realized what was going on and got me out of there. I was about to lose consciousness.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Here is the Dawkins/Brown interview: They talk about cold reading and Barnum statements including the water comment. I listen to Derren Brown explain stuff but I'm not confident in everything he says - but then his TV/live shows he manages to pull it off...That could be just editing and of course in TV shows selection of participants - I have never been to one of his live shows.

All of his live shows were recorded in real time and can be seen on YouTube. (I guess these are shown on British TV after the tours end. The recordings are professional quality, anyway, not pirate quality.) He does an outright "psychic reading" routine on volunteers from the audience in the most recently released, Infamous. He's actually much better at it than most TV psychics.

But then there's this weird little episode from his TV series, Trick of the Mind:



He doesn't come right out and say, "You had an accident involving water as a child." He's more careful and cold reads up to it, casting a wide net and watching the guy for little signals.

 

[Evo]

The thread's had 152 views, but only ten people, including myself, have anything like a water accident to report.

The thread has only had 18 responses with most having a water incident. So, ten responses of water incidences is almost all posters. That's hugely significant.
The number of "views' means nothing. I might view my post 10 times correcting typos. Only the responses count.

 

[Drakkith]

Let's see... cut toes, scraped knees, fish biting me... yeah I suppose you could say that I had an accident involving water as a kid.

 

[BobG]

Before I could swim, my cousin (who could swim) dragged my air raft out to the deep end of her family's swimming pool, dumped me over, and left me to drown (and unable to make any noise). Fortunately, her dad saw me and jumped into the pool to save me.

She was totally unrepentant, too. She thought not being able to swim was unimaginable and I could surely swim if only someone made me try.

Of course, that may not qualify as an accident, though. That was really attempted murder.

 

[Doug Huffman]

What is particularly an accident involving water? I am very comfortable in water and have had a few misadventures.

Body surfing in big California (Santa Cruz's Steamers Lane) surf a wave beat me enough to scare me and make me sore for a few days - that I had to miss surfing with the sealions.

My brother and I set out to swim across an icy - ice filled - lake, about a mile. We noticed our younger sister, not a strong swimmer, following. Already fully challenged by my own efforts, I was able to tow her to shore only for being tall enough to 'walk' a bit on the bottom.

I got away with drowning swimming rattlesnakes in the Feather River canyon by swimming up under them, grabbing their tails momentarily to snatch them under water repeatedly until they were exhausted.

I crossed a neighborhood gang while in HS that had their revenge in the swimming pool. I came to, after being momentarily unconscious, with George Haynes reading them the riot act.

An adventure is a disaster, an accident if you will, survived.

ETA LOL I just noticed "fish biting me." My wife and I were 'swimming' (!) in the ICW at Seabrook Island, SC, and I was very distracted by the fish nipping.

 

[julian]

What is particularly an accident involving water? I am very comfortable in water and have had a few misadventures.

Body surfing in big California (Santa Cruz's Steamers Lane) surf a wave beat me enough to scare me and make me sore for a few days - that I had to miss surfing with the sealions.

My brother and I set out to swim across an icy - ice filled - lake, about a mile. We noticed our younger sister, not a strong swimmer, following. Already fully challenged by my own efforts, I was able to tow her to shore only for being tall enough to 'walk' a bit on the bottom.

I got away with drowning swimming rattlesnakes in the Feather River canyon by swimming up under them, grabbing their tails momentarily to snatch them under water repeatedly until they were exhausted.

I crossed a neighborhood gang while in HS that had their revenge in the swimming pool. I came to, after being momentarily unconscious, with George Haynes reading them the riot act.

An adventure is a disaster, an accident if you will, survived.

ETA LOL I just noticed "fish biting me." My wife and I were 'swimming' (!) in the ICW at Seabrook Island, SC, and I was very distracted by the fish nipping.

O.M.G - these things don't happen in the U.K. - well aside from that time when the time a giant man-eating great white shark attacked beachgoers and also put me into shock when treading water as it circled me in our Island summer resort town, prompting my dad the local police chief to hunt it with the help of a marine biologist and a professional shark hunter. He tried telling them "You're going to need a bigger boat".

 

[zoobyshoe]

The thread has only had 18 responses with most having a water incident. So, ten responses of water incidences is almost all posters. That's hugely significant.
The number of "views' means nothing. I might view my post 10 times correcting typos. Only the responses are counted.

We can ask Greg, but I'm pretty sure a "view" is when a person new to the thread opens it. Once you've opened it, your later visits to the thread don't change the view count. I've tried: I've opened and left the thread three times without the view count changing. As of now there are 232 views. I take that to mean 232 separate people have opened the thread.

 

[Doug Huffman]

@julian Yes, life in ye olde country is a bit too civilized. Here, a neighbor was writer for the 1983 Jaws franchise offering.

 

[Dembadon]

We can ask Greg, but I'm pretty sure a "view" is when a person new to the thread opens it. Once you've opened it, your later visits to the thread don't change the view count. I've tried: I've opened and left the thread three times without the view count changing. As of now there are 232 views. I take that to mean 232 separate people have opened the thread.

That's usually how it works.

However, it's quite possible those who've viewed the thread have had accidents and simply chose not to post.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

100% of children have an accident involving water.

They wet their pants. :)

 

[kzvrso]

zoobyshoe I don't recall having any accidents involving water tbh.

 

[zoobyshoe]

That's usually how it works.

However, it's quite possible those who've viewed the thread have had accidents and simply chose not to post.

I was assuming there'd be some disinterest in the whole subject even on the part of some people who had had an accident involving water. However, Greg just explained what is probably the real reason the view count is meaningless: it includes "guests" who aren't registered, and can't post.

 

[zoobyshoe]

zoobyshoe I don't recall having any accidents involving water tbh.

That's OK, you have a great avatar.

I really should have started asking for both responses, the accidents and the people who couldn't recall any such accident. The ratio should work out to 4:1 for this to qualify as a Barnum statement.

 

[Evo]

We can ask Greg, but I'm pretty sure a "view" is when a person new to the thread opens it. Once you've opened it, your later visits to the thread don't change the view count. I've tried: I've opened and left the thread three times without the view count changing. As of now there are 232 views. I take that to mean 232 separate people have opened the thread.

Sorry, i meant to say "only the responses count" as far as being counted as a response to your questions. The number of views doesn't mean anything, you can't assume a view with no response means they didn't have an accident.

 

[Drakkith]

Sorry, i meant to say "only the responses count" as far as being counted as a response to your questions. The number of views doesn't mean anything, you can't assume a view with no response means they didn't have an accident.

Especially since the majority of forum viewers are not members.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Sorry, i meant to say "only the responses count" as far as being counted as a response to your questions. The number of views doesn't mean anything, you can't assume a view with no response means they didn't have an accident.

Especially since the majority of forum viewers are not members.

Indeed, most "views" are, statistically, going to be by "guests" who can't post (unless they go through the ordeal of registering and become members). Since there is always a much higher percentage of "guests" than members online at any given time, the number of views ends up not meaning anything in the sense of a poll. I have that figured out now.

So, for best results, I should have invited both kinds of responses at the start.