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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
The issue has become more clearer now and I think these posts misses the point. It is not about individual elementary particles at all. Suppose you are writing down a description for the state of a free particle fp with schrodinger equation and wave function ... After stating that it describes...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
I can agree with that. p.s. Post 8 was not really relevant at all, but lets leave that- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
It is not just a choice. By describing it as an individual physical system, it is being overlooked that every such physical system is like any other such physical system.- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
Because elementary particles are identical. The indistinguishability is a consequence of that. A photon may have a different energy, but still a photon is like any other photon. It starts to look now that by interpreting a physical system as an ensemble the concept of identical particles got...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
It is not about describing a single elementary particle, but about an individual physical system. Let me guess, you never had a real look at the link provided at the beginning. There can be different views and opinions about it, but included is a discussion about what an individual physical...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
No, there is no such requirement indeed. Thus you are trying to describe with a wave function a system and interpretate it as an "individual physical system" (and not an ensemble) based upon underlying elementary particles that in principle don't have such individuality. I got the impression...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
You have corrected me and rightfully so for not taking sufficient time for it. It is very difficult to express these things. Elementary particles simply don't have any individuality. You can distinguish them if they are spatial apart etc.. If in an interpretation it is posed that you are...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
OK, during the weekend I had some time to think it over. The electrons cannot be labeled if they each have a probability for presence at a certain position in such a system. That can be illustrated as follows. If it would have been possible to make a measurement at the location and finding an...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
Yes, I understand that. You cannot label them if the different electrons have a probability to be in the same position in such a quantum system. By the way "shut up and calculate" is actually interpretation dependant. According to Ballentine that statement is superfluous. So is the idea that...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
Indeed wave function, just being sloppy. From the reference given earlier (Ballentine): (II) Interpretations which assert that a pure state provides a complete and exhaustive description of an individual system (e.g., an electron). This class contains a great variety of members, from...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
I agree that QFT should bring better answers. The implications on what you might still be able to tell on macroscopic level could be very complicated.- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
What is the wave the answer to? Does it represent an individual physical system or an ensemble or something only mathematically or something else? Any choice here is already a particular interpretation. Also if you wanted to say that photons do not follow a particular path but multiple paths...- Ben vdP
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Graduate Quantum interpretations and indistinguishable elementary particles
On one hand, a minimal view of quantum mechanics is to see the Schrödinger equation and wavefunction as part of a description for a "generic" quantum system or ensemble of identical prepared systems ala Ballentine ( The Statistical Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics ). In the act of measurement...- Ben vdP
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Undergrad How can you model charge?
That charge is the quantum number associated with internal U1 gauge symmetry is something that I can live with. It may be futile to look for some field characterisation or geometric explanation of charge. That physics is only an empirical science can be nuanced somewhat, it leads also to...- Ben vdP
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Undergrad How can you model charge?
An elementary particle has properties like spin and charge. With spin there can still be some kind of notion of rotation, but how can charge be characterized? Does there exists some underlying views or models on charge? Pragmatically, charge can be seen as a strength of coupling with photon...- Ben vdP
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