Find 5th roots of unity solving x^5 -1=0 and use the result for sin18 and cos18

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The discussion revolves around finding the 5th roots of unity by solving the equation x^5 - 1 = 0. Participants are also exploring how to use these roots to derive the values of sin(18°) and cos(18°).

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  • Participants discuss the algebraic approach to finding the roots of unity and consider using de Moivre's formula. There are attempts to express the roots in terms of sine and cosine, and questions arise about how to derive sin(18°) and cos(18°) from these roots.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to manipulate the equations derived from the roots of unity. There is an ongoing exploration of different equations and methods to solve for sin(18°) and cos(18°), with some participants expressing uncertainty about their progress.

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Participants are working under the constraint of deriving trigonometric values specifically from the roots of unity, and there is an emphasis on ensuring that the solutions respect the range of sine and cosine functions.

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Homework Statement



Find 5th roots of unity solving algebraically x^5-1=0. Using the result, find sin18 and cos18

The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> x^5 = 1\\<br /> x = \sqrt[5]{1}

since we have 5 roots:
<br /> x_k, k = 0,1,2,3,4 \\ \\<br /> <br /> x_k = e^{i\frac{2k\pi}{n}}, n=5 \\ x_0 = e^{i0} = 1\\ x_1 = e^{i\frac{2\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{2\pi}{5} + isin\frac{2\pi}{5} \\ x_2 = e^{i\frac{4\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{4\pi}{5} + isin\frac{4\pi}{5} \\ x_3 = e^{i\frac{6\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{6\pi}{5} + isin\frac{6\pi}{5} \\ x_5 = e^{i\frac{8\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{8\pi}{5} + isin\frac{8\pi}{5}

now how do I find sin18 and cos18??
 
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Perhaps you could use de Moivre's formula
 
Hi tonit! :smile:

You have x_1 = e^{72i} = cos72 + isin72, where the angle is in degrees.

Can you express these in terms of cosine and sine 18? Then use the binomial expansion to the index 5 of the root you get(in terms of cos and sin 18) and equate the imaginary and real coefficients. You will get two equations, one of which you can easily solve for their values.
 
e^{i\frac{2\pi }{5}} = sin(18) + icos18 right?
 
tonit said:
e^{i\frac{2\pi }{5}} = sin(18) + icos18 right?

Yes!
 
I got

sin^5θ - 10sin^3θ cos^2θ + 5sinθ cos^4θ = 1
and
i5sin^4θcosθ - i10sin^2θcos^3θ + icos^5θ = 0

where θ = \frac{\pi}{10} = 18^{\circ}

is this ok?
 
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tonit said:
I got

sin^5θ - 10sin^3θ cos^2θ + 5sinθ cos^4θ = 1
and
i5sin^4θcosθ - i10sin^2θcos^3θ + icos^5θ = 0

where θ = \frac{2\pi}{5} = 18^{\circ}

is this ok?

Yes! :smile:

Now try solving one of these equations, as a single trigonometric ratio. Which one would be easier for you to solve? :wink:
 
I guess the first one would be easier,

and I got

16sin^5\theta - 20sin^3\theta + 5sin\theta = 1

I'm stuck again...:@
 
tonit said:
I guess the first one would be easier,

and I got

16sin^5\theta - 20sin^3\theta + 5sin\theta = 1

I'm stuck again...:@

Actually...the second one would be easier. You have a zero in the RHS, so you can divide the equation by icosθ and get rid of a worry :wink:
 
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alright so after simplifying I get 16sin^4\theta - 12sin^2\theta + 1 = 0

now it's pretty obvious to solve. thanks :D
 
  • #11
tonit said:

Homework Statement



Find 5th roots of unity solving algebraically x^5-1=0. Using the result, find sin18 and cos18


The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> x^5 = 1\\<br /> x = \sqrt[5]{1}

since we have 5 roots:
<br /> x_k, k = 0,1,2,3,4 \\ \\<br /> <br /> x_k = e^{i\frac{2k\pi}{n}}, n=5 \\ x_0 = e^{i0} = 1\\ x_1 = e^{i\frac{2\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{2\pi}{5} + isin\frac{2\pi}{5} \\ x_2 = e^{i\frac{4\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{4\pi}{5} + isin\frac{4\pi}{5} \\ x_3 = e^{i\frac{6\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{6\pi}{5} + isin\frac{6\pi}{5} \\ x_5 = e^{i\frac{8\pi}{5}} = cos\frac{8\pi}{5} + isin\frac{8\pi}{5}

now how do I find sin18 and cos18??

I would use the multiple-angle identity.
 
  • #12
dimension10 said:
I would use the multiple-angle identity.

Hi dimension10!
Could you please explain how, keeping in mind the OP was asked to derive the result using the roots of unity?
 
  • #13
Infinitum said:
Hi dimension10!
Could you please explain how, keeping in mind the OP was asked to derive the result using the roots of unity?

Oh, I was thinking that he wanted help on finding the 5th roots of unity using the cosine of pi/5 and sine of pi/5.
 
  • #14
tonit said:
alright so after simplifying I get 16sin^4\theta - 12sin^2\theta + 1 = 0

now it's pretty obvious to solve. thanks :D

Yes, but just remember you will need to reject one of the values you get as,

0 \leq sin^2\theta \leq 1
 
  • #15
yeah, I'll keep that in my mind :smile:
 

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