How Electromotive Force is Produced by Electric Generator?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electromotive force (EMF) and its production in electric generators, focusing on the underlying principles such as the Lorentz force and electromagnetic induction. Participants explore the mechanisms that cause electrons to move and the relationship between electric fields and potential energy.

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  • One participant questions the definition of electromotive force and its role in directing electron movement to create electric current.
  • Another participant identifies the Lorentz force as the driving factor behind the movement of charged particles.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the behavior of protons and electrons in a specific context, suggesting that the direction of the magnetic field influences their distribution.
  • A participant describes electromotive force as a measure of energy concentration in an electric field, asserting that the Lorentz force moves charged particles to higher potential energy positions.
  • One participant challenges the notion of potential in relation to the Lorentz force, providing a mathematical expression for the force and discussing its implications in Faraday's Law of induction.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of electromotive force and the role of potential energy, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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at 5:42 - What is Electromotive Force? Why does it make electrons move (make electric current) in one direction?
 
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That force is called the Lorentz force, which google.
 
mo0nfang said:
Electromagnetic Induction @1:40 <--- Why protons group themselves at the top and electrons at the bottom?
In that video, the electrons (-) are moving to the top. It's because of the direction of the magnetic field. It could have been either way.
 
mo0nfang said:
Electromagnetic Induction @1:40 <--- Why protons group themselves at the top and electrons at the bottom?
Again, it is the Lorentz force, of which you are well aware.
 
mo0nfang said:
What is Electromotive Force?
How concentrated energy is in an electric field. Lorentz force moves charged particles to positions of higher potential energy.
Divide the energy by the amount of charge and you get electromotive force.
 
To argue with a "potential" is misleading in this case since the Lorentz force is not a potential force but reads
$$\vec{F}=q \left (\vec{E}+\frac{\vec{v}}{c} \times \vec{B} \right),$$
and thus the correct electromotive force in Faraday's Law of induction in integral form is
$$\mathcal{E}(t)=\int_{C} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot \left [\vec{E}(t,\vec{x})+\frac{\vec{v}(t,\vec{x})}{c} \times \vec{B}(t,\vec{x}) \right ]=-\frac{1}{c} \dot{\Phi}_B,$$
where $$\vec{v}(t,\vec{x})$$ is the velocity field of the path ##C##.
 
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