Phd without the need of a master degree

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of obtaining a PhD without first earning a master's degree, exploring various educational structures and requirements across different countries and institutions. It includes personal experiences and insights into graduate programs in the US, Canada, and Asia.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share that many physics graduate programs in the US allow students to progress from a bachelor's degree directly to a PhD, often involving master's coursework without necessarily awarding a master's degree.
  • One participant notes that a terminal master's degree is typically more practical and industry-focused, whereas a PhD emphasizes research.
  • Another participant mentions that in the US, students may complete master's coursework and possibly a thesis before advancing to the PhD, but not all programs grant a master's degree.
  • A participant recounts their experience at the University of Michigan, where they obtained a master's degree while enrolled in a PhD program by meeting certain coursework requirements.
  • In Canada, it is noted that students can often transition from a BSc to a PhD after a year in an MSc program, with stronger candidates typically making this leap.
  • A participant from Asia indicates that students can directly enter a PhD program if they have completed a specific number of credits, otherwise a master's degree is required.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying experiences and perspectives on the structure of graduate programs, indicating that there is no consensus on a single pathway to a PhD without a master's degree. Different educational systems and institutional policies contribute to these differing views.

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Limitations include the variability in program structures across institutions and countries, as well as the potential changes in policies over time that may affect current practices.

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Do some of you got a Phd without a Master?
I have a professor that only have a phd and 3 posdoc. How this works and how hard it is? And, if you know, what kind of institute or which contry have this kind of program?
 
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Most physics graduate programs in the US go from B.S. to PhD program. They may or may not give you a master degree along the way.

A terminal master's degree (one that is not gotten along the way to a PhD) is generally set up to be practical and give you industry or employment skills. It does not focus on research like a PhD does. A PhD is about doing research and it need not have anything to do with industry or employment skills.
 
PhD programs in the US will admit you with a bachelors degree. The first few years of the program are spent taking the masters coursework, and often doing a masters thesis and/or qualifying exam, before proceeding to the PhD. At this point, some schools grant a masters degree, and some don't. You can't skip the masters work, but that doesn't mean you get a masters degree. Once you earn a PhD, it doesn't matter. If you drop out early, it sucks.
 
When I was in grad school (U of Michigan) I picked up a M.S. while I was in the Ph.D. program, simply by filing an application and paying a small fee after I had a certain number of hours of graduate-level coursework. That was 35 years ago, maybe it's different now.
 
In Canada, for example admission to MSc programs from BSc programs is much more common and the MSc can be a much more research-oriented degree compared to various course-based MSc programs.

Once admitted, students can either defend the MSc or apply for direct admission into the PhD program after about a year as an MSc candidate. Usually it's only the stronger candidates who jump right into the PhD.
 
In Asia If you have at least 8 Credit in courses then you directly go for PhD.otherway you need to do Masters.
 
jtbell said:
When I was in grad school (U of Michigan) I picked up a M.S. while I was in the Ph.D. program, simply by filing an application and paying a small fee after I had a certain number of hours of graduate-level coursework. That was 35 years ago, maybe it's different now.

That is how my university works today.
 

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