Arctan of a fraction of two tangents?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of the arctangent function, particularly in relation to the expression arctan[tan(f(x))/tan(g(x))]. Participants explore whether this expression can be simplified or transformed into a different form, including potential relationships involving sums of arctangents.

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  • One participant questions if arctan[tan(f(x))/tan(g(x))] can be simplified to f(x)/tan(g(x)), expressing uncertainty about the behavior of the tangent function in the denominator.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no simple formula for the expression as the original poster desires.
  • A different participant presents a method to express the arctangent of a ratio as a sum of arctangents, using a specific formula involving tangent values.
  • This method involves setting up simultaneous equations to derive a relationship between arctan(f/g) and arctan values of derived expressions.
  • Several participants express appreciation for the mathematical trick shared, indicating its cleverness and beauty.
  • One participant corrects a previous typo regarding a relationship involving the golden ratio and arctangent, emphasizing the importance of accuracy in mathematical expressions.

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Participants generally agree on the cleverness of the mathematical approach presented, but there is no consensus on the simplification of the original expression or its implications. Disagreement exists regarding the existence of a simple formula for the arctangent of a ratio.

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Some participants note the complexity of the relationships and the potential for errors in mathematical expressions, highlighting the need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions in the discussion.

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if:

arctan[tan(f(x))/tan(g(x))]

then,

f(x)/tan(g(x)) ?

Is this correct or does the tan function at the denominator also vanish?

Please advise
 
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huey910 said:
if:

arctan[tan(f(x))/tan(g(x))]

then,

f(x)/tan(g(x)) ?

Is this correct or does the tan function at the denominator also vanish?

Please advise

No, both are not correct.
Where is no simple formula of this kind.
 
Nothing as simple as the OP wants, clearly, but there is an interesting elementary way to "split" the arctangent of a ratio into a sum of arctangents.

Start with this:

\frac{\tan x + \tan y}{1 - {\tan x}{\tan y}} = \tan{(x+y)}

Put A = \tan{x}, B = \tan{y}

\frac{A + B}{1 - AB} = \tan{(\arctan{A}+\arctan{B})}

Finally take arctan of both sides:

\arctan{(\frac{A + B}{1 - AB})} = \arctan{A}+\arctan{B}

This is a pretty nifty formula that works both ways: to convert the arctan of a quotient to a sum of arctans, and vice versa.

To see how to do it the first way, let's say we want to convert the expression for \arctan({\frac{f}{g}}) into a sum of arctangents.

We start by setting up the simult. eqn. pair:

A + B = f ---eqn 1

1 - AB = g ---eqn 2

Solving those gives:

A = \frac{f \pm \sqrt{f^2 + 4(g-1)}}{2}

and B = \frac{f \mp \sqrt{f^2 + 4(g-1)}}{2}

giving the result as:

\arctan({\frac{f}{g}}) = \arctan{(\frac{f + \sqrt{f^2 + 4(g-1)}}{2})} + \arctan{(\frac{f - \sqrt{f^2 + 4(g-1)}}{2})}

As I said, this is probably not what the OP was looking for (or thinking of), but it's an interesting result I thought bore mentioning.
 
Very nice Curious, I like the trick. +1
 
If "smart" is the good word, I would say : Smart !
 
Thanks to the above 2 posters for the nice compliments. :smile:

In fact, this is also a nice way to see this beautiful relationship:

\arctan \phi - \arctan \frac{1}{\phi} = \arctan \frac{1}{2}

where \phi is the golden ratio 1.618...

EDIT: Sorry, made a sign error in my original post. Micromass and others - please take note.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Thanks to the above 2 posters for the nice compliments. :smile:

In fact, this is also a nice way to see this beautiful relationship:

\arctan \phi + \arctan \frac{1}{\phi} = \arctan \frac{1}{2}

where \phi is the golden ratio 1.618...

Very nice! :approve:

Yes, math can be beautiful indeed...
 
This is the correct relationship (reposted as I don't want anyone to get it wrong on account of my original typo):

\arctan \phi - \arctan \frac{1}{\phi} = \arctan \frac{1}{2}
 

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