Paralle plate capacitor, LIH dielectric, fringing field

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a linear, isotropic, and homogeneous dielectric slab when partially inserted into a charged, isolated parallel plate capacitor. Participants explore the forces acting on the dielectric slab, the role of the electric field, and the implications of energy calculations, particularly in relation to the fringing electric field outside the capacitor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a dielectric slab can experience a force pulling it into the capacitor when the electric field within the capacitor is uniform and perpendicular to the slab, suggesting a paradox in energy calculations.
  • Another participant references a paper that discusses the force acting on the dielectric slab and highlights the apparent paradox regarding the uniform electric field assumption in energy calculations.
  • A different participant proposes that the energy calculation considers the infinitesimal movement of the dielectric slab within the uniform field, indicating that the fringing field does not affect the calculated force for this small displacement.
  • This participant notes that while the fringing field influences the total energy, it complicates the calculation at the edge of the dielectric slab.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the fringing electric field in energy calculations and the resulting forces on the dielectric slab. There is no consensus on how to fully reconcile the energy calculations with the observed forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding the complexities introduced by the fringing field and the assumptions made in energy calculations.

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Hey, all.

If we partially introduce a linear, isotropic and homogeneous dielectric slab in a charged, isolated, parallel plate capacitor, we know that it experiences a forces pulling it into the dielectric, and we can obtain the expression of this force using energy considerations. However, when the energy calculation is done, we assume a uniform E field in the capacitor, always perpendicular to the dielectric, so in theory it looks like the E field can't pull on any charge that's in the dielectric to pull it in, yet the energy calculation still reveals a force. Books then say it's the fringing E field outside the capacitor that's pushing the dielectric in, but this fringing field wasn't taken into account when getting the energy!

What's going on? How does this method self correct itself?

Thanks in advance. :biggrin:
 
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That is a very good question. In fact, this was carefully addressed in an AJP paper many years ago:

"Force on a Dielectric Slab Inserted into a Parallel-Plate Capacitor", S. Margulies (Am. J. Phys. v.52, p.515 (1984)).

In it, he wrote this:

For example, how can the force act to pull the slab into the volume between the plates when the electric field there is perpendicular to this direction? If this is explained - the force is, of course, due to the fringe field - an apparent paradox arises: How can the virtual-work calculation yield an answer when it is explicitly based on the assumption of a uniform electric field existing only in the region between the plates, and so does not include the fringe field at all?

Sounds familiar? :)

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
That is a very good question. In fact, this was carefully addressed in an AJP paper many years ago:

"Force on a Dielectric Slab Inserted into a Parallel-Plate Capacitor", S. Margulies (Am. J. Phys. v.52, p.515 (1984)).

In it, he wrote this:



Sounds familiar? :)

Zz.

Woa, that is exactly what I needed! It's a shame I can't access that article, though. :cry:

But it's kind of incredible that what I asked turned out to be something that only a research article could answer. :eek:

Thanks for the help, ZapperZ. :biggrin:
 
For some reason, my download from AJP is not working, but there is a simple answer to your question.
In the energy calculation, the end of the dielectric slab moves an infinitesimal distance, but is well within the plates where the field is uniform. The calculated force then does not depend on what happens at the edge of the plates. The energy is given by an integral of E.D over all space, so the fringing field would affect the total energy, but it does not affect the change in energy caused by the infinitesimal displacement
If the energy calculation were attempted for the edge of the dielectric in the fringing field, the calculation would be more difficult, and the force would be different.
 

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