Apparent superluminal velocity in M82 source

AI Thread Summary
Recent observations of a radio source in the M82 galaxy indicate an apparent sideways motion of four times the speed of light, a phenomenon known as superluminal motion. This effect can occur due to the finite speed of light and the angle at which the object is moving towards the observer, creating an optical illusion of faster-than-light speed. The discussion highlights that this is not purely a relativistic effect but rather a consequence of light travel time, similar to how sound from a fast-moving jet can create a misleading perception of speed. Empirical measurements related to the object's velocity and the angle of motion are crucial for understanding this phenomenon. The analysis concludes that apparent superluminal velocities can be explained mathematically by considering the object's speed and its angle relative to the observer.
jackiefrost
Messages
140
Reaction score
1
An April 18 newscientist.com article, http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18775-mysterious-radio-waves-emitted-from-nearby-galaxy.html" reports recent observations of a radio source in M82 with an apparent horizontal motion of 4x speed of light.
Yet it does seem to be moving – and fast: its apparent sideways velocity is four times the speed of light. Such apparent "superluminal" motion has been seen before in high-speed jets of material squirted out by some black holes. The stuff in these jets is moving towards us at a slight angle and traveling at a fair fraction of the speed of light, and the effects of relativity produce a kind of optical illusion that makes the motion appear superluminal.
Could someone comment on what particular relativistic effects would cause an "optical illusion" of superluminal velocities. What specific empirical measurements are they referring to that would indicate apparent superluminal velocities?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Astronomy news on Phys.org
jackiefrost said:
An April 18 newscientist.com article, http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18775-mysterious-radio-waves-emitted-from-nearby-galaxy.html" reports recent observations of a radio source in M82 with an apparent horizontal motion of 4x speed of light.

Could someone comment on what particular relativistic effects would cause an "optical illusion" of superluminal velocities. What specific empirical measurements are they referring to that would indicate apparent superluminal velocities?

It is a common effect that occurs when an object is moving at high velocity almost towards you. It is not a relativistic effect so much as a consequence of the finite speed of light.

Suppose, for example, that something is moving at an angle of θ away from directly towards you, at a velocity v, and you know that it is a distance away from you d.

Suppose that two signals are sent from this object, separated in time Δt. (Forget any relativistic effects. Everything is done in your own reference from.) Now over that time, it moves a distance v.Δt. We break this into two components; it is closer to you by v.Δt.cos(θ), and it has moved orthogonal to the line of sight by v.Δt.sin(θ). The latter corresponds to an apparent horizontal movement across the sky.

Note, however, the second signal has less distance to go to reach you. Therefore it arrives after a shorter period of time Δt(1 - (v/c).cos(θ)). This is simply subtracting the time it would have taken light to go that extra distance towards you, which is (v/c).Δt.cos(θ).

If you forget to consider this advantage in time, you might think that the time the object took was the time between the two signals to be observed, rather than the time between the two signals being emitted.

The apparent horizontal velocity of the object is thus a = v.sin(θ)/(1 - (v/c).cos(θ)).

Using units with c = 1, if you differentiate this with respect to θ, assuming v fixed, you get
\begin{align*}<br /> a &amp; = \frac{v \sin \theta}{1 - v \cos \theta} \\<br /> \frac{\partial a}{\partial \theta} &amp; = v\frac{\cos \theta ( 1 - v \cos \theta ) - \sin \theta ( v \sin \theta )}{(1 - v \cos \theta)^2} \\<br /> &amp; = c \frac{\cos \theta - v}{(1 - v \cos \theta)^2}<br /> \end{align*}​

Thus, when v = cos(θ) you get a maximum apparent velocity, which works out to be
\frac{v}{\sqrt{1-v^2}}​

If I have the maths right, then you can get an apparent horizontal velocity of 4c if the v was about 97% lightspeed, and the particle was moving at about 14 degrees off directly towards you.

Cheers -- sylas
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Could someone comment on what particular relativistic effects would cause an "optical illusion" of superluminal velocities.
It's not really a relativistic effect, it's simply light travel time. The object approaches you at close to the speed of light, so the light sent from different positions reaches the observer in fast forward.
The acoustic analogue is fast approaching jet fighter. From what you hear, you'd guess that it traveled at Mach 10, so quickly changes the sound. The extreme is a sonic boom, when all the sound arrives in a single moment.
 
Sorry for the long delay. Both your explanations and the analysis makes good sense. Thank you both very much.
 
TL;DR Summary: In 3 years, the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) telescope (or rather, a system of telescopes) should be put into operation. In case of failure to detect alien signals, it will further expand the radius of the so-called silence (or rather, radio silence) of the Universe. Is there any sense in this or is blissful ignorance better? In 3 years, the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) telescope (or rather, a system of telescopes) should be put into operation. In case of failure to detect...
Thread 'Could gamma-ray bursts have an intragalactic origin?'
This is indirectly evidenced by a map of the distribution of gamma-ray bursts in the night sky, made in the form of an elongated globe. And also the weakening of gamma radiation by the disk and the center of the Milky Way, which leads to anisotropy in the possibilities of observing gamma-ray bursts. My line of reasoning is as follows: 1. Gamma radiation should be absorbed to some extent by dust and other components of the interstellar medium. As a result, with an extragalactic origin, fewer...
This hypothesis of scientists about the origin of the mysterious signal WOW seems plausible only on a superficial examination. In fact, such a strong coherent radiation requires a powerful initiating factor, and the hydrogen atoms in the cloud themselves must be in an overexcited state in order to respond instantly. If the density of the initiating radiation is insufficient, then the atoms of the cloud will not receive it at once, some will receive it earlier, and some later. But then there...
Back
Top