Analytical solutions of cubic and quartic equations

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The discussion revolves around the analytical solutions of cubic and quartic equations, exploring methods for solving these equations, the terminology used, and the challenges associated with finding solutions by hand versus using computational tools.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that while analytical solutions for cubic and quartic equations are not commonly requested, understanding the methods is beneficial.
  • One participant mentions a preference for iterative methods over solving cubic equations analytically.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology, with some participants suggesting that "analytical" should refer specifically to solutions in terms of radicals.
  • A participant introduces a method for solving reduced cubic equations using a trigonometric identity, suggesting a substitution involving cosine.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for resources on algebraic manipulations and substitutions, indicating a lack of familiarity with these concepts.
  • Clarifications about the terminology used in the thread title arise, with participants discussing the correct usage of "analytical" versus "analytical" in the context of solutions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology used to describe solutions, with multiple views on what constitutes an "analytical" solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solving cubic and quartic equations, as preferences for methods vary among participants.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of terms like "analytical" and "analytical" as they pertain to solutions of equations. Additionally, the discussion touches on the complexity of solving quartic equations compared to cubic ones, with no definitive resolution on the best methods to use.

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Even though it is uncommon to see questions asking for an analytical solution to equations of degree 3 or 4, they have been asked on the forum. It's also good to know how, in any case.

Cubic : http://www.karlscalculus.org/cubic.html

Quartic : http://www.karlscalculus.org/quartic.html

For the cubic equation, I would discourage simply memorising the general formula; instead, try to understand the method and remember the form of the required substitutions to reduce the cubic to a quadratic.

IMHO, the cubic is still doable by hand. The quartic is often too tedious to contemplate solving analytically (without a computer), but the method is instructive.
 
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I hate solving cubic equations, I usually use an itritive method:blushing: Good tutorials though :biggrin:

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I guess it's nitpicky, but I don't think you meant "analytical": you meant solutions in terms of radicals.

There are more general analytic techniques: for example, an explicit (albeit extraordinarily long) solution to the general quintic can be written in terms of hypergeometric functions.

There's even a neat solution method for the reduced cubic based on the trig identity 4 cos³ t - 3 cos t - cos 3t = 0. (make the substitution x = m cos t, and rewrite your cubic in this form)
 
Slightly off topic, but I never learned anything about substitutions in algebraic manipulations.

Can anyone direct me to a website, a book, or anything that covers them and their uses?

Sounds like they are powerful. I have only seen them in calculus, your generic old u-substitutions.

Thanks.
 
Hurkyl said:
I guess it's nitpicky, but I don't think you meant "analytical": you meant solutions in terms of radicals.

Yeah, I meant solution by radicals. I was looking for a "snappy" title, and I've seen "analytical" being used in this exact context before, for e.g. http://www.me.gatech.edu/energy/andy_phd/appA.htm.

But if the terminology isn't correct, please feel free to amend the topic title.

There's even a neat solution method for the reduced cubic based on the trig identity 4 cos³ t - 3 cos t - cos 3t = 0. (make the substitution x = m cos t, and rewrite your cubic in this form)

Yup, I'm aware of this method, but it's nice to keep the whole thing algebraic. Although when you come to writing out the solutions, it's often easier to work in trig ratios. :smile:
 
Actually, no, that site does NOT refer to "analytical" solutions, it refers to
"ANAYLYTICAL", whatever that means!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Actually, no, that site does NOT refer to "analytical" solutions, it refers to
"ANAYLYTICAL", whatever that means!

Hehe, good catch. :smile:
 

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