Wave packets that feel harmonic potential

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The discussion revolves around the construction and properties of wave packets in the context of a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator (SHO). Participants explore the mathematical challenges associated with integrating Hermite polynomials and the behavior of Gaussian wave packets, particularly in relation to their spreading characteristics when influenced by a harmonic potential.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of writing wave packets as superpositions of eigenstate solutions of the SHO, specifically mentioning difficulties with an integral involving Hermite polynomials.
  • Another participant provides a detailed approach using the generating function of Hermite polynomials to tackle the integral, leading to a formula for the integral of Hermite polynomials multiplied by a Gaussian function.
  • A different participant recalls that a Gaussian wave packet can be constructed for the SHO that does not spread, maintaining a constant width as it oscillates.
  • One participant shares their unsuccessful attempts at using integration by parts and recursion relations of Hermite polynomials, expressing a desire to learn more techniques.
  • A participant shares numerical visualizations of both non-spreading and spreading Gaussian wave packets, illustrating the relationship between phase changes and local momentum.
  • Another participant references a source, 'Quantum Theory' by David Bohm, which discusses the non-spreading wave packet for the quantum SHO.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of Gaussian wave packets, with some asserting that they do not spread while others present examples of packets that do. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the integration techniques and the characteristics of the wave packets.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying assumptions about the behavior of wave packets in a harmonic potential, particularly concerning their spreading properties.

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Are there any nice wave packets you could write as a superposition of eigenstate solutions of a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator? The question deals with a situation, where a particle feels a harmonic potential, but is far away from the center and is traveling as a wave packet, probably oscillating like a classical particle before spreading.

I tried the usual gaussian wave packet, but it lead to an integral

<br /> \int\limits_{-\infty}^{\infty} H_n(x) e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx<br />

which I found too difficult for myself. Do you know if a foolproof technique already exists for integrating this, or if there is other kind of wave packets that are easier?

H_n is Hermite's polynomial.
 
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Hello,

The problem you meet seems "how to do the integral \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}H_n(x)e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx"
I try your problem as far as i can ( with brute force >"< ):
In the begining, use the generating function of Hermite polynomials
e^{-t^2+2tx}=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n!}t^nH_n(x)
Multiply e^{-Ax^2+Bx} both sides and integral over all x:
\text{L.H.S.}=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}e^{-t^2+2tx}e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx=\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{A}}e^{-t^2}e^{\frac{(B+2t)^2}{4A}}
\text{R.H.S.}=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n!}t^n\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}H_n(x)e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx
One can calculate the Taylor expansion of the L.H.S. and find the coefficient of the \frac{t^n}{n!} term:
\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{A}}\left(\frac{\partial^n}{\partial t^n}e^{-t^2}e^{\frac{(B+2t)^2}{4A}}\right)_{t=0}
The integral you want appeals in the Taylor expansion coefficient of \frac{t^n}{n!} term:
\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}H_n(x)e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx=\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{A}}\left(\frac{\partial^n}{\partial t^n}e^{-t^2}e^{\frac{(B+2t)^2}{4A}}\right)_{t=0}
Finally, it can be calculated further with Leibniz rule and obtain the result:
\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}H_n(x)e^{-Ax^2+Bx}dx=\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{A}}e^{\frac{B^2}{4A}}\sum_{N=0}^{[\frac{n}{2}]}\frac{n!}{(n-2N)!N!}\left(\frac{1}{A}-1\right)^N\left(\frac{B}{A}\right)^{n-2N}
where [x] gives the maximum integer that is equal to or less than x.


Best regards
 
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I'm on the road right now and don't have access to my books, but I do seem to remember that it's possible to construct a Gaussian wave packet for the SHO, and that in fact it doesn't "spread." That is, it's width \Delta x = \sqrt {&lt;x^2&gt; - &lt;x&gt;^2} remains constant as the packet moves back and forth. I remember doing this as an exercise in grad school.
 
Nice trickery, variation! :-p I just tried integration by parts and recursion relations of Hermites polynomials, without success. Seems I should add more tricks to my arsenal.
 
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Jostpuur, this is nicely done in 'Quantum Theory' by David Bohm (1951) Dover.
On page 307 he derives the wave packet for the QSHO and gets the non-spreading WP.
 

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