Is string theory deterministic?

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The discussion centers around the determinism of string theory, exploring whether it can be considered deterministic or indeterministic, particularly in the context of a potential "Theory of Everything." Participants examine the implications of string theory being a quantum theory and the philosophical complications surrounding determinism in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions whether string theory is deterministic, suggesting that if a supernatural mind knew all physical information, it could predict the future using string theory.
  • Another participant argues that string theory is a quantum theory, which typically implies indeterminism, contrasting it with classical string theory, which is deterministic but not widely used in practice.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that a final theory could still be indeterministic, allowing for a comprehensive understanding of the universe without determinism.
  • One participant references the existence of hidden-variable interpretations of quantum mechanics, such as the Bohm interpretation, which could allow for determinism but notes their practical difficulties and lack of application to string theory.
  • Another participant points out that string theory exhibits nonlocal features, which could relate to hidden-variable theories and provides links to relevant papers discussing these connections.

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Participants express differing views on the determinism of string theory, with no consensus reached. Some argue for its indeterministic nature, while others suggest the possibility of deterministic interpretations through hidden variables.

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The discussion includes references to philosophical complications regarding determinism in quantum theories and the implications of nonlocality in string theory, which remain unresolved.

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Is string theory deterministic?

So if a supernatural mind knows all the physical information in the universe at a specific moment then he will exactly know (using string theory) what will happen in the future.

If string theory is not deterministic, should the Theory of Every Thing be a deterministic one?
 
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I am very much not the best person to answer this question, but:

My understanding is that string theory is a quantum theory, and that means it is not deterministic.

There is a theory of "classical strings"-- remember, strings are just vibrating 1D objects-- which would (since it is classical) be deterministic. However to my knowledge classical string theory is not used in physics. As far as I know it is used just in textbooks to introduce students to the subject, and also as a building block to derive quantum string theory from.

(As an aside: There exist philosophical complications to the claim, as I make above, that "quantum theories are not deterministic". It is possible to create deterministic quantum theories by the use of "hidden variables". For example the "Bohm interpretation" of quantum mechanics uses hidden variables and so is deterministic, in the sense that a "universe sysadmin" with access to the hidden variables could use that knowledge to calculate as you say "what would happen in future". However hidden variable quantum theories have their practical difficulties-- for one thing, they must be nonlocal theories-- and hidden variable theories are not widely used or considered as useful that I have seen. In particular I have never seen anyone attempt to apply hidden-variable interpretation to string theory.)
 
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So as I understood that a final theory or "The theory of Every Thing" may not be deterministic, so humans may reach in the future a theory explains every thing about the universe, but still that theory have indeterministic nature.
 
Coin said:
In particular I have never seen anyone attempt to apply hidden-variable interpretation to string theory.
Then see
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0512186
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0605250
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0702060
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0705.3542

You also said that "hidden variable quantum theories have their practical difficulties-- for one thing, they must be nonlocal theories". Well, due to certain dualities, string theory also has some nonlocal features. This, indeed, is used as one of the arguments (in one of the papers above) for the relation between string theory and Bohmian mechanics.

See also
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=220745
 
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