Determining EMF and Internal Resistance

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a battery with unknown electromotive force (EMF) and internal resistance, connected in series with an ammeter and a resistance box. Participants are tasked with determining the EMF and internal resistance based on given current values at different resistances.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to formulate equations based on the current and resistance values provided. Some express confusion about how to manipulate the equations to isolate the unknowns, while others suggest writing two equations corresponding to the two different resistances.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering guidance on setting up equations and suggesting methods to eliminate variables. However, there is a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the calculations, as some participants express difficulty in understanding the mathematical manipulation required.

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Some participants mention a lack of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved, indicating a potential barrier to progressing in solving the problem. There is also an acknowledgment of the need to apply Ohm's Law in the context of the problem.

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Basically I have been given this question:

A battery of unknown EMF and internal resistance is connected in series with an ammeter and a resistance box. The current was 2.0A when R= 4.0 Ohms and 1.5A when R= 6.0 Ohms. Calculate the EMF and internal resistance.

I feel you may have to arrange this somehow although I am probably wrong:

Internal resistance = v1-v2/I2-I1


I have had no attempt at a solution as I am utterly confused by this question.

Thank you for reading.
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Hi joseppi, welcome to PF.
You have to write two equations for two resistances.
Use the equation
I = E/(R + r). Here r is the internal resistance.
Then solve for r.
 
Hi, sorry for me not having understood your instruction but how can I use the below equation for the answer if I have neither the: r or the E value?

I = E/(R + r)

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E in this case is the emf, which you can work out with Ohm's Law.
 
You can write two equations for two resistances. With two equations you can find two unknowns.
I1 = E/(R1 + r)-------(1)
I2 = E/(R2 + r)-------(2)
Substitute the values given in the problem. Try to eliminate one unknown to find the other unknown.
 
2A = ?E/ (4.0 Ohms + ?r)

1.5A = ?E/ (6.0 Ohms + ?r)

I'll be honest I am quite bad with Maths even though I take AS level physics. I have no clue how to eliminate the r or E unknown or even really how to move it around ;/ You couldn't explain how and why you do this? It would be a great help, thank you.
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From the first equation
E = 2A(4.0 Ohm + r)----(1)
Similarly from the second equation write E = ...---(2)
Equate eq 1 and 2, and solve for r.
 

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