Understanding Energy in Physics: Is it Matter or Force?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of energy in physics, questioning whether it is a physical entity or a force. Participants explore various definitions and interpretations of energy, including its relationship with matter and its role in work and motion. The conversation spans conceptual understanding, theoretical implications, and different perspectives on energy's physicality.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest viewing energy as a property that is conserved within a system, emphasizing its various forms such as kinetic and potential energy.
  • Others define energy as the ability to do work, linking it to the application of force over distance, and argue that energy is indeed physical.
  • One participant proposes that energy can be seen as a mathematical construct derived from classical mechanics, suggesting it may not be physical in the traditional sense.
  • A different viewpoint introduces a quantum perspective, claiming energy is related to the transfer of photons between atomic systems, describing kinetic energy as the transfer of virtual photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether energy is a physical entity or a conceptual tool. While some agree on its role in doing work and its conservation, others challenge the notion of energy as physical, leading to multiple competing interpretations without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining energy, with participants acknowledging its various forms and the challenges in fully grasping its nature. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "physical" and the implications of viewing energy through different theoretical lenses.

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I am new to physics and having trouble understanding what energy is. Is energy something physical? I read that energy and matter are essentially the same thing. To me it seems that energy is an invisible force acting on matter. Thank You.
 
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Dman said:
I am new to physics and having trouble understanding what energy is. Is energy something physical? I read that energy and matter are essentially the same thing. To me it seems that energy is an invisible force acting on matter. Thank You.

It is best at your level (and thus mine) to only (for now) view energy as a property that is conserved within a system, without fully "grokking" it. I know that doesn't sound like a concrete answer, but unfortunately energy isn't a concrete concept. It can take on many forms, (kinetic, potential etc...) and that is a huge contributor to energy not easily being clearly defined. Also, I think it is best not to dwell too long on energy and matter being the same thing for now. Viewing energy from an accounting standpoint when analyzing interactions within a system would be most beneficial to you. The insights you will draw on your own from your exploration of the conservation of energy will be more valuable to you than any description we might attempt on this board. I of course don't mean to discourage others from chiming in (or even disagreeing with me)!
 
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Dman said:
I am new to physics and having trouble understanding what energy is. Is energy something physical? I read that energy and matter are essentially the same thing. To me it seems that energy is an invisible force acting on matter. Thank You.

Energy is the ability to do work. Work is the application of a force (push or pull) over a certain distance, so an equivalent definition for energy would say that energy is the ability to apply a force over a distance. Energy is primarily measured in joules, which is kilograms times (meters squared divided by seconds squared). In that sense, yes, energy is very physical. What does all of that mean? Well, you use energy every single moment of your life. For example, when you lift an apple (1 kg) up about one meter, you've just used 1 joule of energy.

The two primary forms of energy are kinetic and potential. Kinetic energy is the energy associated with motion while potential energy is typically associated with position (although you can also have velocity-dependent potentials). The faster something moves, the greater its kinetic energy, which is what you expect from every day life. From our definition above, an object with lots of kinetic energy has the capacity to do a whole lot of work (like to lift or to pull). And what about potential energy? Thinking about gravitation is the easiest way to see what's going on here. If you hold up a ball in the air with your hands, it's got some potential energy. The ball is not moving, but you know that it falls under Earth's gravitational field when you let go. The ball's potential energy gets converted into kinetic energy and the ball hits the ground. Potential energy is very important because it determines how things move. Different potentials will produce different kinds of motion.

It's also important to keep in mind that the total energy in the universe is always conserved. Energy is never created or destroyed. Energy merely changes form, by going from kinetic to potential, potential to kinetic, or some other variation.

Hope that helps. If not, just tell us what you need help with.
 
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Dman said:
Is energy something physical?
Energy is most definitely physical since "physical" means "of or relating to physics". As Cryxic says, energy is simply the capacity to do work, and work is a force applied over a distance.
 
You should search through older threads. I believe there were very similar questions.

I would argue energy is not something physical in the way you mean by "physical" (I suppose).

Rather on the classical level energy can be seen as a mathematical trick that can be deduced from knowing that all forces are
F_{ij}=\frac{\alpha\vec{r}^0}{r^2}+\vec{b}\times\vec{v}
You can show that with this assumption and some auxiliary term called potential energy, there will be a scalar whose total sum is conserved with time.
 
Most of these posts have already nailed it, but if you want to view energy as what it truly is, then energy is simply a photon(s) that's being transferred from one atomic system (atom; molecule) to another. This is the quantum view, and it's what's actually being done in nature. Kinetic energy, therefore, is the transfer of many photons from one object to the object it's reacting with.
Striking the golf ball with the golf club is the simple act of transferring a great number of photons from the golf club to the golf ball.

The photons can never be observed; they are called, "virtual photons."
 
Thank you all for your replies! you helped me to understand some uncertainty
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