How do you solve this integral using the classic mistake method?

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The discussion focuses on solving the integral In = Integral(1/((1+x^2)^n)dx using proof by induction and integration by parts. Participants emphasize the need to manipulate the integral In-1 to achieve the desired form. A key point is recognizing that the integral can be expressed recursively, allowing for repeated application of the method. There is a consensus that careful handling of the terms is crucial, and participants encourage each other to persist despite initial confusion. Ultimately, the goal is to prove the integral's formula for all natural numbers n greater than or equal to 2.
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In = Integral(1/((1+x2)n)dx

For all n ∈ Natural numbers (exclusively 0), n≠1: In = 1/(2(n-1)) * x/((1+x2)n-1) + (2n-3)/(2(n-1))*In-1

Can someone prove this?
 
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Use proof by induction on n, using integration by parts for the induction step.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Use proof by induction on n, using integration by parts for the induction step.

I've tried it with that methode..
But what do you choose as u and dv?

I've tried it with: u=(1/((1+x2)n) ==> du= (-2nx)/((1+x2)n+1) and dv= 1 ==> v=x

==> x/(1+x2)n + 2n Integral(x^2/((1+x^2)^(n+1)))

How do you integrate: (x^2/((1+x^2)^(n+1)) ?
 
Let me rewrite your problem in TeX. Prove for all n \in \mathbb{N} and n \geq 2 that

<br /> \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^n} \;=\; \frac{1}{2(n-1)}\cdot\frac{x}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br /> \;\;-\;\; \frac{2n-3}{2(n-1)}\int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br />

You've noticed that using integration by parts on In gives you an integral with a power of n+1 in the denominator, which you can't simplify. Instead, try expanding In-1 and working with that expression.
 
Tedjn said:
Let me rewrite your problem in TeX. Prove for all n \in \mathbb{N} and n \geq 2 that

<br /> \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^n} \;=\; \frac{1}{2(n-1)}\cdot\frac{x}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br /> \;\;-\;\; \frac{2n-3}{2(n-1)}\int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br />

You've noticed that using integration by parts on In gives you an integral with a power of n+1 in the denominator, which you can't simplify. Instead, try expanding In-1 and working with that expression.

I don't know how to do that.. can you explain it to me?
 
What does integration by parts on In-1 give you? The idea is that you might be able to manipulate it in some way to achieve the desired form, because all the terms turn out to be of the right form.
 
Tedjn said:
What does integration by parts on In-1 give you? The idea is that you might be able to manipulate it in some way to achieve the desired form, because all the terms turn out to be of the right form.

I absolutely have no idea how to integrate it by parts on In-1..
 
Alexx1 said:
I absolutely have no idea how to integrate it by parts on In-1..

Think what the expression means! You have n-1 instead of n, so what? n is any number you want anyway. Call it m if that makes it easier.
 
Jame said:
Think what the expression means! You have n-1 instead of n, so what? n is any number you want anyway. Call it m if that makes it easier.

Is it like: xn-1 = xn*x-1 ?
 
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Alexx1 said:
Is it like: xn-1 = xn*x-1 ?
I know for sure that you are not as stupid as you're making yourself look right now, it's actually a classic mistake: to think the math is over your head and give up the logic and instead blindly follow what people tell you. Enough rant, sorry.

You have already been given the solution. Look
<br /> \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^n} \;=\; \frac{1}{2(n-1)}\cdot\frac{x}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br /> \;\;-\;\; \frac{2n-3}{2(n-1)}\int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br />

Put a big and fat parenthesis around \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}, or even write it separately. This is the exact same problem! Solve it again and you get an integral with n-2, again and you get n-3, and so on. Try setting n = 3 and do this two times to see the point.
 
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Jame said:
I know for sure that you are not as stupid as you're making yourself look right now, it's actually a classic mistake: to think the math is over your head and give up the logic and instead blindly follow what people tell you. Enough rant, sorry.

You have already been given the solution. Look
<br /> \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^n} \;=\; \frac{1}{2(n-1)}\cdot\frac{x}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br /> \;\;-\;\; \frac{2n-3}{2(n-1)}\int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br />

Put a big and fat parenthesis around \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}, or even write it separately. This is the exact same problem! Solve it again and you get an integral with n-2, again and you get n-3, and so on. Try setting n = 3 and do this two times to see the point.

I knew the answer in the beginning! The only thing I have to do is prove it!
Not proving it by filling in a random figure!
I have to solve integral In and the result must be <br /> \int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^n} \;=\; \frac{1}{2(n-1)}\cdot\frac{x}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br /> \;\;-\;\; \frac{2n-3}{2(n-1)}\int \frac{dx}{(1+x^2)^{n-1}}<br />
 
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