Product of Diagonals of Regular Polygon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the product of the lengths of diagonals drawn from a fixed vertex of a regular polygon inscribed in a unit circle to the other vertices. Participants explore the relationship between these products and the number of vertices, n, of the polygon.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the product of the diagonals can be expressed as |v1-1||v2-1|...|v(n-1)-1|, aiming to show that this product equals n.
  • Another participant proposes that demonstrating the square of the product of the diagonals equals n² might simplify the problem by eliminating modulus functions.
  • There is a discussion about the properties of the nth roots of unity, including their representation as roots of the polynomial equation z^n - 1 = 0.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the sum of the nth roots of unity equating to zero and seeks clarification on this concept.
  • Multiple participants reiterate the polynomial factorization z^n - 1 = (z-1)(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} + ... + 1) to explain the roots of unity and their implications.
  • Some participants ask for restatements or clarifications on the polynomial properties and their relevance to the problem at hand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the properties of the nth roots of unity and their application to the problem. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the product of the diagonals or on the implications of the polynomial roots.

Contextual Notes

Some participants exhibit uncertainty about the mathematical concepts involved, such as the roots of unity and their properties, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem effectively.

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So any help would be really appreciated! I really have no idea where to start, and I can use any help.

So essentially the problem is we have a regular polygon P inscribed in a unit circle. This regular polygon has n vertices. Fix one vertex and take the product of the lengths of diagonals drawn from the one vertex to each of the other vertices.

Show that the product of these diagonals is equal to n.

...so I guess what I have so far (which is quite minimal) is this:

So I suppose I figure as much that the vertices of the regular polygon are nth roots of unity. And so I also suppose that one vertex is always 1. (1 to the nth power is always 1)

So let's label the vertices of the polygon v0, v1, v2, ... v(n-1), where v0=1.

So essentially we want to find the product |v1-1||v2-1|...|v(n-1)-1| -- and we want to show that equals n.

I guess this is what I have so far, but I'm not really sure where to go from there.

Again, any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
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It might be easier to show that the square of the product of the diagonals = ##n^2##. That gets rid of all the modulus functions.

Think about the properties of the n'th roots of unity. They are the roots of a polynomial equation, so it is easy to show that the sum of the n'th roots = 0. There are similar results for the sums of products and powers of the n'th roots.
 
hmmm so I'm a little conrfused...so I guess okay, the nth roots of unity are the roots of a polynomial equation..(first of all I don't think I really get that)

And, I don't seem to understand how the sum of them equal 0...
 
The nth roots of unity, ##\cos 2 \pi k/n + i \sin 2 \pi k/n## for k = 0, 1, ... n-1 are the roots of the equation ##z^n - 1 = 0##.

If ##z## is a root , then ##z^2##, ##z^3##, ... are also roots.

##z^n -1 = (z-1)(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1)##

So if ##z \ne 1## is a root of ##z^n - 1 = 0##, ##z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1 = 0##.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_of_unity (or Google for "roots of unity").
 
AlephZero said:
The nth roots of unity, ##\cos 2 \pi k/n + i \sin 2 \pi k/n## for k = 0, 1, ... n-1 are the roots of the equation ##z^n - 1 = 0##.

If ##z## is a root , then ##z^2##, ##z^3##, ... are also roots.

##z^n -1 = (z-1)(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1)##

So if ##z \ne 1## is a root of ##z^n - 1 = 0##, ##z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1 = 0##.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_of_unity (or Google for "roots of unity").
I don't really get that...can you restate?
 
##z^n - 1 = (z-1)(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1)##. (To show that, just multiply the two factors).

If ##z## is a root of ##z^n - 1##, then ##(z^n - 1) = 0##.

So either ##(z-1) = 0## or ##(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1) = 0##.

If ##z \ne 1##, then ##(z-1) \ne 0##.

So ##(z^{n-1} + z^{n-2} \cdots + 1) = 0##.
 

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