1-loop Fermion mass correction in toy EFT

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The discussion revolves around the origin and role of the mass parameter ##m## in the context of a 1-loop fermion mass correction within a toy effective field theory (EFT). Participants explore the implications of Feynman rules and the structure of the fermion propagator in loop integrals, addressing questions of dimensionality and regularization techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the source of the mass parameter ##m## in the context of the Feynman rules for the given diagram.
  • Another participant asserts that ##m## arises from the internal fermion propagator and emphasizes the need to consider the full structure of the propagator rather than just the interaction rules.
  • A participant references A. Pich's "Effective Field Theory" to support their claims about the internal propagator and the momentum integral.
  • Concerns are raised about why ##m## appears outside the integral rather than being included in the numerator with ##\not\! k##, suggesting that the odd nature of the integrand leads to its vanishing.
  • Another participant agrees with the reasoning about the odd integrand and points to a specific paper for further clarification, noting a typo in the referenced equation.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of regularizing the integral before drawing conclusions, with a mention of dimensional regularization as a preferred method despite its unintuitive aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the mass parameter ##m## and the treatment of the integral, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of regularization techniques in handling divergences in loop integrals, which may affect the interpretation of the mass parameter and the structure of the integrand.

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Where does the ##m## in ##(3.2)## come from? It doesn’t seem to enter anywhere in Feynman rules for the given diagram
 

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Anyway, it comes from the internal fermion propagator - you can not just look at the interaction Feynman rules.
 
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malawi_glenn said:
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Anyway, it comes from the internal fermion propagator - you can not just look at the interaction Feynman rules.
Source is A. Pich, Effective Field Theory, beginning of chapter 3.

I understand that the momentum integral of the internal propagator comes from that loop, but why specifically is there a factor of ##m## in front of it? Or better, why isn‘t it inside the integral in the numerator summed with ##\not\! k##? Is it because the integral with ##k## in the numerator vanishes due to the integrand being odd? Isn’t this argument only valid for convergent integrals though?
 
in the numerator you have ##\not\! k - m ## in the fermion propagator.

Yes, it will vanish because of odd integrand see https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.16285 eq. 18 page 14
(note the typo, it should read ##(\gamma^5)^2 = 1##)

Look at it this way. How would you get something that has the dimension of mass, in that diagram, unless you had a factor ##m## in front? Can you come up with anything?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
in the numerator you have ##\not\! k - m ## in the fermion propagator.

Yes, it will vanish because of odd integrand see https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.16285 eq. 18 page 14
(note the typo, it should read ##(\gamma^5)^2 = 1##)

Look at it this way. How would you get something that has the dimension of mass, in that diagram, unless you had a factor ##m## in front? Can you come up with anything?
I understand, thank you!
 
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Seems to be a textbook making the "confusing issue" of divergencies even more confusing. Of course your integral must be regularized first, before you can make any sense of it. The most convenient, but a bit unintuitive, regularization is "dimensional regularization" since it keeps Poincare invariance, and then indeed it's correct to conclude that the part of the integrand ##\gamma_{\mu} k^{\mu}## can be set to 0.
 
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