2 methods to solve system of differential equations

[Sparky_]

Homework Statement

Greetings –

I am wanting to solve the following system of differential equations:

<br /> <br /> K*\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -K2*\frac{dz}{dt}<br />

<br /> K*\frac{dz^2}{dt^2} = K2*\frac{dx}{dt}<br />

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

Now – I am not just wanting to solve it (I know what the solution is already) I am wanting for grins to solve it as if I was back in school –

I would like to solve this system 2 ways:

Am I correct that using Laplace transforms are a straightforward way to solve this system?

I have scanned my old diff. e. book and could not find great examples of solving systems.

Can I use the method where I would set:
x = i1
x’ = i2
x” = i3

then i1’ = i2
i2’ = i3

Likewise for z
z = j1
z’ = j2
z’’ = j3

j1’ = j2
j2’ = j3

ending up with:

K(i2’) = -(k2)j2
K(j2’) = (k2)i2

What I don’t know how to do is solve this system using a typical tool - something like pulling out the characteristic equation or so forth?

Can you help – how can I solve this system (a second method other than Laplace)?

Thanks
-Sparky_

 

[epenguin]

No - you just have to realize you have time derivatives of x and z in the equation and you don't have x and y. So just express in terms of new variables which are those derivatives. u = dx/dt, v = dz/dt say. Not fairly obvious?

Then how to solve that, I posted yesterday or so.

 

[Sparky_]

hey epengiun

is this the link you refer to : https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=465484

where you solved something similar?

Thanks!
Sparky_

 

[epenguin]

hey epengiun

is this the link you refer to : https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=465484

where you solved something similar?

Thanks!
Sparky_

Yes, and for that matter you were sort of getting there but I had just stopped reading when I saw 'Laplace transforms'.

 

[HallsofIvy]

Pretty much like epenguin, I tend to stop reading when I see "Laplace Transform". A very over rated technique in my opinion.

The real "two methods", in my opinion are:
1) Differentiate the first equation again to get
K\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}= -K_2\frac{d^2z}{dt^2}

Now, from the second equation, substitute
\frac{K_2}{K}\frac{dx}{dt}
for the second derivative of z. That gives
K\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}= -\frac{K_2^2}{K}\frac{dx}{dt}
If we let u= dx/dt, that becomes a second order equation in u:
K\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}= -\frac{K_2^2}{K}u
or
\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}+ \frac{K_2^2}{K^2}u= 0
which is easily solved. Integrate u with respect to t to find x.

Once you know x, you can put it
K_2\frac{dz}{dt}= K_2\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}
and integrate to find z.

Notice the solving the second order equation for u will give 2 undetermined constants. Then integrating to find x will introduce a third. Finally, integrating to find z will introduce a fourth undetermined constant. That is exactly what we would expect solving two second order equations.


2) Let w= dz/dt and let y= dx/dt so that the two equations become
K\frac{dw}{dt}= K_2y
and
K\frac{dy}{dt}= K_2w
so that we have four first order equations:
\frac{dx}{dt}= y
\frac{dy}{dt}= \frac{K_2}{K}w
\frac{dz}{dt}= w
\frac{dw}{dt}= \frac{K_2}{K}y

and we can write that as the single matrix equation:
\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\\ z\\ w\end{pmatrix}}{dt}= \begin{pmatrix}0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; \frac{K_2}{K}\\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 0 &amp;\frac{K_2}{K}&amp; 0 &amp; 0\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \\ w\end{pmatrix}
which can be solved by finding the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix.