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The discussion revolves around two questions posed by a participant regarding the interaction between charged capacitors and permanent magnets, as well as the creation or procurement of ferromagnetic backing plates for permanent magnets. The scope includes conceptual and technical aspects of electromagnetism and material properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether attaching a charged capacitor to a permanent magnet would convert it into an electromagnet, suggesting that it does not, and that a bare metal magnet would short out the capacitor.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that while the capacitor discharges, a current flows through the magnet, potentially realigning the ferromagnet and enhancing the power of the electromagnet, likening the behavior of the ferromagnet to that of an inductor.
  • There is a query about how to make or buy a ferromagnetic backing plate for a permanent magnet, with a specific question about using cast iron and whether it needs to be flat or cup-shaped to accommodate the magnet.
  • Participants express a need for clearer explanations regarding the intended application of the backing plate and the overall context of the questions posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effects of attaching a charged capacitor to a permanent magnet, with differing views on the interaction. The discussion about the ferromagnetic backing plate remains open, with requests for clarification and further information.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific applications and definitions of terms used in the questions, particularly concerning the nature of the interactions between capacitors and magnets, as well as the design of backing plates.

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if anyone wishes to answer my questions would it be too much to ask you to e-mail me the answer.
Because I get notices that people have answered other questions, For the life of me I don't know where
the answers are going to... all I see is the alert that Mr. or Mrs. Peoples answered my question.
<< e-mail address removed by Mentors >>[/color]

before I forget Thank You
Dave
If you attach a charged capacitor to a permanent magnet does it change it to an electromagnet?

My second question

ferromagnetic backing plate for a permanent magnet how do you make one or buy one?
Can I make out of cast iron? If so can it be flat or does it need to be in the form of a cup and press in the magnet?
 
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Diamond Dave said:
If you attach a charged capacitor to a permanent magnet does it change it to an electromagnet?

Hi there
welcome to PF :smile:

no it doesn't and of the magnet is as usual, bare metal, then it will just short out the capacitor with a spark

My second question

ferromagnetic backing plate for a permanent magnet how do you make one or buy one?
Can I make out of cast iron? If so can it be flat or does it need to be in the form of a cup and press in the magnet?

I tried googling " ferromagnetic backing plate for a permanent magnet " got some oddball results

would you like to explain what you are doing clearer ?
maybe some one else knows what you are referring to ?

Dave
 
davenn said:
would you like to explain what you are doing clearer ?
maybe some one else knows what you are referring to ?
The best person best to explain what he has in mind is Diamond Dave. :wink:

Over to you, Diamond Dave ...
 
But, for the short period of time while the capacitor is discharging, you get a current through the magnet, and you have some combined effect. The current will tend to realign the ferromagnet, so the ferromagnet enhances the power of the electromagnet. I think the ferromagnet behaves like an inductor.
 

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