243.11.5.9 Area of intersection cardioid and circle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the area of intersection between a cardioid and a circle. Participants explore different approaches to set up the integrals needed for the calculation, considering symmetry and known areas.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding areas might simplify the problem and begins to set up the integrals for the area calculation.
  • Another participant presents an integral setup for the area, noting the potential use of symmetry in the calculation.
  • A later reply reiterates the integral setup and attempts to apply symmetry by adjusting the limits and multiplying by 2, but expresses difficulty in reaching the expected answer.
  • Another participant proposes using symmetry and the area of a semicircle to derive the area, arriving at the same expected answer of $16(5\pi - 8)$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the expected answer of $16(5\pi - 8)$, but there are different approaches and setups presented, indicating that multiple views remain on how to arrive at that answer.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the steps involved, particularly in applying symmetry and integrating correctly. There is also mention of potential simplifications that could be made, but these are not fully resolved.

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OK just seeing if this is setup OK
before I pursue all the steps
I thot adding areas would be easier:cool:
 

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Re: 243.11.5.9 area of intersection cardioid and circle

I see it like so ...

$\displaystyle \int_0^\pi \dfrac{8^2}{2} \, d\theta + \int_\pi^{2\pi} \dfrac{[8(1+\sin{\theta})]^2}{2} \, d\theta$

... note there are also opportunities to use symmetry.
 
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Re: 243.11.5.9 area of intersection cardioid and circle

skeeter said:
I see it like so ...

$\displaystyle \int_0^\pi \dfrac{8^2}{2} \, d\theta + \int_\pi^{2\pi} \dfrac{[8(1+\sin{\theta})]^2}{2} \, d\theta$

... note there are also opportunities to use symmetry.
I'll try the symmetry ... half the limits mult by 2

$\displaystyle A=2\left[\int_0^{\pi/2} 64\, d\theta
+ \int_{3\pi/2}^{2\pi} [8(1+\sin{\theta})]^2 \, d\theta\right]$

$128\left[\displaystyle \left[\theta\right]_0^{\pi/2}
+\left[\theta-2cos\theta-\dfrac{\sin\left(2x\right)-2x}{4}\right]_{3\pi/2}^{2\pi}\right]$

sorry I just can't get this the bk ans is $16(5\pi - 8)$
 
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Re: 243.11.5.9 area of intersection cardioid and circle

I would use symmetry and known the area of a semicircle to write:

$$A=\frac{8^2}{2}\left(\pi+2\int_{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{0}\left(1+\sin(\theta)\right)^2\,d\theta\right)=32\left(\pi+\frac{3}{2}\pi-4\right)=16(5\pi-8)$$
 

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