2nd order DE question :confused:

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The discussion focuses on solving a non-homogeneous second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) represented by the equation y" + k1y = -10, where k1 is a constant between 12 and 13. The user attempts to find exact solutions using initial conditions and plot the phase plane using PPlane software. Key points include the need to apply methods from sections 3.6 and 4.1 of their coursework, and the importance of selecting appropriate initial conditions, typically y(0) and y'(0), to derive the solution.

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Homework Statement



The equation for the undamped motion with no rubber band:
y" + k1y = -10
k1 = any number between 12 and 13

Find exact solutions using a couple different initial conditions

And then plot this phase plane using some software


The Attempt at a Solution


So I know ahead of time that my solution needs to be in a vector form in order to plot it in a phase plane (using the software that I have for this class)

Here's my attempt thus far:
I have chosen my k1 to be 12.25 (12.25 squared is 3.5, I tried to pick nice numbers, at least as nice as a number between 12 and 13 can be)

Making y' = v
v' = -12.25y -10

Here I am getting really messed up. I know the shortcut where you can convert the y" to a λ2, the y' to a λ, and the y becomes a constant, so basically you get a polynomial equation in which you can find the roots (eigenvalues) and work from there. However, in every system we worked with in this class, there was never in one condition a problem involving a constant, and I can't seem to find any help pertaining as to what I do with it.

My normal course of action here would be to find a corresponding vector A, and from there, using the eigenvalues, I can find the eigenvectors. I know that because of the value of y (being between 12 and 13), that the eigenvalues will be imaginary. This will lead to using euler's formula, and from there it's a matter of selecting initial conditions and graphing this thing, however, I can't figure out what I am supposed to do with that darn 10. Does it just add into 12.25 to become 22.25? Does it just "showup" somewhere later on?

I could really use some help
 
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12.25 squared is 3.5?

It seems there is a portion of the problem statement omitted. What does your DE describe?

You have a non-homogeneous second order ODE. There is a specific procedure which must be followed in order to obtain a solution. Do you remember what this procedure is? Have you selected your initial conditions?
 
A Mass-Spring System with a Rubber Band

1. The equation for undamped motion with no rubber band is

y" + k1 = -10

Once you choose a value for k1 (between 12 and 13) use methods learned in sections 3.6 and 4.1 to obtain
exact solutions for a couple of different initial conditions. Use PPlane to show phase portraits for these
solutions and give a verbal description of the motion.

As for the method on solving this: We have been using the "guessing" method. In which you make an educated guess for a value of y, then take the y' and y" of that, and plug it into the equation (It usually comes out to being in a form of Ae^(lambda*t)) And then you solve for A, and plug that A value in for your educated guess giving you a Yh

and for guessing initial conditions, I'll be quite honest in saying I have absolutely no idea where and how to pick initial conditions. I can never figure out if the y and y' values are related to each other, or if they are just arbitrary values picked. It seems a lot of the values I've seen in examples in class are usually something along the lines of:
y(0) = 2 (or some constant number)
y'(0) = 0

which leads me to think that the y' is usually representing (obviously) the derivative of the y initial.
 

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