2nd order differential equation question

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation, specifically y'' - 3y' = 4. Participants are exploring methods to find both the complementary and particular solutions to this equation.

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  • The original poster attempts to find a complementary solution and proposes a particular solution, but expresses confusion regarding the correctness of their approach. Some participants question the linear independence of the proposed particular solution from the complementary solutions.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the concepts of complementary and particular solutions. Guidance has been provided regarding the need for the particular solution to be linearly independent from the complementary solutions, and there is a recognition of the adjustments needed in the original poster's approach.

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There is an indication that the original poster is grappling with the concept of linear independence in the context of differential equations, and assumptions about the form of the particular solution are under discussion.

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Homework Statement



[tex]y''-3y'=4[/tex]

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I've been looking at this problem for the last hour and have absolutely no idea on how to solve it.

My initial approach is this:
[tex]y''-3y'=4[/tex]
therefore [tex]r^2-3r=0[/tex] so [tex]r =0,~3[/tex]
giving a complementary solution of [tex]y_{c} = c_{1} +c_{2}e^{3x}[/tex]

Now this is the part where I think I might be making a mistake
[tex]y_{p} = 4A[/tex] (so I get any multiple of 4)
[tex]y_{p}' = 4[/tex]
[tex]y_{p}'' = 0[/tex]

So the particular solution is therefore [tex]0 - 3 \cdot 4 = 4[/tex] giving [tex]-12 = 4[/tex]

I can't think of another way to this, so any help would be appreciated :smile:
 
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The problem is that your particular solution is a multiple of one of your complementary solutions, namely the r=0 solution. You need to modify your trial solution to make it linearly independent of the other solutions.
 
so ... my first particular solution would be [tex]y_p = Ax[/tex] ?
If I do this I get [tex]y_p = - \frac{4}{3}x[/tex]

so finally I end up with [tex]y= c_1 + c_{2}e^{3x} -\frac{4}{3}x[/tex]
which is the correct answer.

I think I understand what you said about the particular solution being a multiple of the complementary solution, but just to clarify.

Is this what you mean: I got [tex]c_1[/tex] being a part of the complementary solution (the r=0 part) , and you could mulitply this by some number to get A?
 
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I think you got it, but just to be clear, let me reword it:

You have two complementary solutions, y1=e0x[/sub]=1 and y2=e3x. If you tried to use yp=A, it wouldn't be linearly independent of the complementary solutions because yp=Ay1.
 
that all makes sense. thanks for the help vela.
 

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