2nd order differential with limit - keep getting zero

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation in the limit as z approaches i/2. Participants are exploring the implications of this limit on the derivatives and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the expression using the quotient and product rules but encounters a limit that results in an indeterminate form. Some participants question the logic behind cancelling terms that lead to zero in both the numerator and denominator.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the errors in the differentiation process and the implications of the limit. A suggestion to simplify the expression before differentiating has been made, which appears to have helped one participant arrive at a correct answer.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a third-order singularity at i/2, which is relevant to the problem's context. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and the correctness of their logic.

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Homework Statement



Find the solution of the following differential in the limit z -> i/2:

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Homework Equations



Quotient rule, product rule.

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the first derivative using the quotient rule, with the answer as two fractions. I then took both fractions and differentiated them again, one of which required the quotient rule and the other of which required both the quotient rule and the product rule.

However, every fraction in the final answer as a (z - i/2) term in the numerator and no similar terms in the denominator, which makes them all zero when you take the limit. My final answer is this:

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The answer should be -3i/16 after the limit is taken.
 
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The denominator [itex]4z^2+1 \rightarrow 0[/itex] when [itex]\ z \rightarrow i/2[/itex]. As a result you end up with an indeterminate expression, 0/0.
 
Hint: [itex]4\left(\frac{i}{2})^2+1=0[/itex]:wink:
 
Hmm. So it is possible to get to -3i/16 from where I've gotten or have I made a mistake in my logic? Cancelling out the brackets that equal zero on the top and bottom of each fraction doesn't seem to help (and I don't think you can do that anyway).

The reason this differential has to be done is because of the following residue rule:

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With the original equation being:

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(it has a 3rd order singularity at i/2, and one at -i/2 that can be ignored, so you make z0 = i/2)I'm sure I've made a stupid mistake somewhere...
 
There are a couple of errors in your expression for [itex]f''(z)[/itex]. To make it easier to calculate, just realize that [itex](4z^2+1)=4(z+i/2)(z-i/2)[/itex] and simplify your expression before differentiating.
 
Ah, thanks for that tip. I now get the correct answer. :D
 

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