2nd order non-homogeneneous ODE - how to find PI

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The problem involves finding the general and particular solutions of a second-order non-homogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y'' + 9y = 36sin(3x). The context includes the use of complementary functions and particular integrals.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to find the complementary function and is seeking guidance on determining the particular solution. Some participants suggest modifying the particular integral due to the presence of a root in the auxiliary equation. Others express confusion regarding the reasoning behind the modification and the form of the particular solution.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the implications of the roots found in the auxiliary equation and how they affect the form of the particular solution. There is a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with some guidance provided on the necessity of modifying the particular integral.

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There is a mention of the modification rule for the particular integral due to the root being present in the complementary solution. Participants are exploring the implications of this rule and how it affects the formulation of the particular solution.

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Homework Statement



Find the general and, if possible, particular solutions of the following ordinary differential equations:

y''+9y=36sin3x
(hint: modification rule for PI)

Homework Equations


Knowledge of ODE's
y = y_{aux}+y_{particular}

The Attempt at a Solution


I get the compementary function;
y''+9y = 0

and then using lambda-notation

\lambda^2 + 9 = 0

therefore

\lambda = \pm 3i
(complex roots)

so
y_{aux} = A cos 3x + B sin 3x

but now how do I get y_{particular}??
 
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Notice that '3' is a root in the auxiliary equation.

what is the PI for sin3x? Since '3' is a root, you will need to modify the PI by multiplying it by x.
 
PI = particular ?

To expand on what rock.freak667 said, your particular solution should be yp = Axcos(3x) + Bxsin(3x).
 
rock.freak667 said:
Notice that '3' is a root in the auxiliary equation

I don't really understand what you mean by this..

However, the PI for sin3x is Acos3x + Bsin3x, i think...
so if you have to multiply by x (don't really understand why?) then the PI would be
x(Acos3x + Bsin3x)?
 
Mark44 said:
PI = particular ?

PI = Particular Integral :)
 
andrew.c said:
I don't really understand what you mean by this..

However, the PI for sin3x is Acos3x + Bsin3x, i think...
so if you have to multiply by x (don't really understand why?) then the PI would be
x(Acos3x + Bsin3x)?
Not if the complementary solution yc is c1cos3x + c2sin3x, which means that no matter what the values of c1 and c2, yc'' + 9yc = 0. In other words, there is no way you will end up with 36sin3x on the right side.

Your particular solution (I prefer this term to particular integral) must therefore be Axcos3x + Bxsin3x. You need to find the coefficients A and B so that yp'' + 9yp = 36sin(3x).

Your general solution will be y = yc + yp = c1cos3x + c2sin3x + Axcos3x + Bxsin3x, where you will have determined A and B.
 

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