2nd Order nonhomogeneous ODE using Undetermined Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order nonhomogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE) using the method of undetermined coefficients. The equation presented is y'' + 6y' + 9y = e^(-3x) - 27x^2, which requires finding both the homogeneous and particular solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the characteristic polynomial and its roots, questioning the nature of the roots and their implications for the particular solution. There are attempts to derive the particular solution for the nonhomogeneous part, with some confusion regarding the form of the solution due to the presence of a double root.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the roots of the characteristic polynomial and their impact on the form of the particular solution. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct approach to finding the particular solution, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form yet.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the roots of the characteristic polynomial, specifically whether -2 is a root and the implications of having a double root at -3. Participants are also navigating the requirements of the method of undetermined coefficients in relation to the given nonhomogeneous terms.

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Homework Statement



Find General Solution:
y"+6y'+9y=e-3x-27x2

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I know you have yh which is the general solution to the left side of the equation set to 0 and then fine the particular solution.

When i try to find yp1 I get yp1=Ae-3x, y'p1=-3Ae-3x, and y"p1=9Ae-3x

Substituting that into the left side we get
9Ae-3x+6(-3Ae-3x)+9(Ae-3x)=Ae-3x
Canceling out Ae-3x we get
9A-18A+9A=1
0A=1

SO does this mean when I'm finding the general solution y=yh+yp1+yp2 that yp1 is going to be 0?

I Know this is a very simple question but my mind is running in circles!
 
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roots of the characteristic polynomial are -3 and -2, so your PI for the e-3x is not Ae-3x but Axe-3x, the PI for -27x2 is Bx2+Cx+D, so combining those two, your PI would be

[tex]y_{PI} = Axe^{-3x}(Bx^2+Cx+D)[/tex]
 
rock.freak667 said:
roots of the characteristic polynomial are -3 and -2

The characteristic polynomial being the left side of the equation?

Isn't it a double root -3? (y+3)2?
 
rock.freak667 said:
roots of the characteristic polynomial are -3 and -2,
No, -2 is not a root of the characteristic equation. The only root is -3, and this is a double root.
rock.freak667 said:
so your PI for the e-3x is not Ae-3x but Axe-3x, the PI for -27x2 is Bx2+Cx+D, so combining those two, your PI would be

[tex]y_{PI} = Axe^{-3x}(Bx^2+Cx+D)[/tex]
 
Ramacher said:
The characteristic polynomial being the left side of the equation?

Isn't it a double root -3? (y+3)2?

oh right it is, I did that wrong in my head...in that case, Axe-3x would be Ax2e-3x
 
Ramacher said:
The characteristic polynomial being the left side of the equation?

Isn't it a double root -3? (y+3)2?
Yes.

Your solution to the homogeneous equation is yh = Ae-3x + Bxe-3x.

The particular solution to the nonhomogeneous problem is yp = Cx2e-3x + D + Ex + Fx2.

The general solution is y = yh + yp.
 

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