2nd order ordinary differential equation for damped harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around a second-order ordinary differential equation related to damped harmonic motion. The original poster presents the equation of motion and seeks to demonstrate specific relationships involving the parameters of the system, particularly under conditions of strong damping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the approximations for the parameters m and p in the limit of strong damping, questioning the steps leading to these approximations. Some participants suggest using the binomial theorem for approximating square roots in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the damping conditions and clarifying potential typographical errors in the original equations. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of approximations, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential typo in the definitions of m and p, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the steps leading to the approximations, particularly in the context of strong damping.

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Homework Statement


the equation of motion for a damped harmonic oscillator is

d^2x/dt^2 + 2(gamma)dx/dt +[(omega0)^2]x =0

...

show that

x(t) = Ae^(mt) + Be^(pt)

where

m= -(gamma) + [(gamma)^2 - (omega0)^2 ]^1/2
p =-(gamma) - [(gamma)^2 - (omega0)^2 ]^1/2

If x=x0 and dx/dt =v0 at t=0. show that

A= v0 - px0
m - p​

B =mx0 - v0
m - p​

In the case of very strong damping (i.e gamma >> omega0) show that

p (approx)= -2(gamma)

*************************************

m (approx)= -(omega0)^2
2(gamma)​

Hence show that if v0 = 0, the displacement of the oscillator is given approximately by

x(t) = x0 e^(q)

where q = (t(omega0)^2) / 2(gamma)


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The Attempt at a Solution



Im okay up until the asterixes. Dont understand how you get the approximation for p in the limit gamma>>omega0. It just tends towards 0 as far as i can see. I tried l'hospital's, isolating the dominant term etc, but couldn't get anywhere

Dont quite get the last bit either, but that might be because i don't get the step before.

(PS I am going to learn latex soon :biggrin: sorry for all the mess)

EDIT: Yes, youre right Aleph. thankyou
 
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I think there is typo in your post (or the original question).

m and p should not be the same. One of them should be

-(gamma) - [(gamma)^2 - (omega0)^2 ]^1/2
 
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anyone?
 
Sorry, I thought the typo was the reason you couldn't do the question.

sqrt(gamma^2 + omega0^2) = gamma sqrt(1 + omega0^2/gamma^2)

gamma >> omega0 so omega0/ gamma is small.

Use the biominal theorem to approximate the square root.
 
yeh okay. that was obvious :redface:

thankyou
 

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