3rd order homogeneous Linear ODE matrix transformation

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The discussion revolves around transforming a third-order homogeneous linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) with constant coefficients into matrix notation. The specific equation under consideration is y''' + 7y'' + 6y' + 3y = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the transformation of the ODE into a coupled system of first-order differential equations by defining new variables. There are attempts to express the original equation in terms of a matrix form, with some participants suggesting specific definitions for the variables and the structure of the matrix.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to define the system of equations and the matrix A. Some participants have provided partial setups and variable definitions, while others seek clarification on how to proceed with the matrix representation. There is an ongoing exploration of how to fill in the entries of the matrix and the implications of the transformations being discussed.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the setup of the matrix and the definitions of the variables, indicating a need for further clarification on the relationships between the variables and the matrix representation. There is also mention of the characteristic polynomial related to the matrix A.

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Homework Statement


Transform this 3rd order homogeneous linear ODE with constant coefficients using matrix notation.
y'''+7y''+6y'+3y=0


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I can't find anything useful to start with on this one. I need some with starting this one, I've been reading a wiki article but it doesn't make much sense to me..

Thanks for any help
 
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so i guess you want to transform into a coupled linear system of first order DEs by letting
x_{i+1} = x_i'

then the xi are related by a constant matrix A
\textbf{x}'=A\textbf{x}
 
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You need to redefine some variables.

First write your differential equation as y''' = -7 y'' - 6y - 3y. Now you define

y_1 = y,

\boxed{y_2} = y' = \boxed{y_1'},

\boxed{y_3} = y'' = \boxed{y_2'},​

and from the ODE,

\boxed{y_3' = - 7y_3 - 6 y_2 - 3y_1.}​

With the last three equations (boxed parts), you can write out a linear system of differential equations, where the primed variables are the nonhomogeneous terms, and the unknowns are the unprimed variables. From here, you just write the set of equations in matrix form.

Hope this helps. :)
 
Hi,
This looks very familiar. Primed variables are y' and y'', unprimed -7,-6 and -3. What do I do with these? I know it involves matrices but how do I set it up?

Thanks
 
so let
x_1 = y
x_2 = x_1' = y'
x_3= x_2' = y''

then write
\textbf{x} = (x_1,x_2,x_3)^T

then the system of equations can be written as
\textbf{x}'=A \textbf{x}

try and fill in the entries of A yourself
 
So A will be (-7,-6,-3)?
thanks
 
y'''+7y''+6y'+3y=(D^3+7D^2+6D+3)y=0
we want to write D as a matrix (D=A), chose the basis {y,y',y''}
a matrix is defined by its action on a basis
Dy''=-7y''-6y'-3y
Dy' = y''
Dy = y'
Which should be easy to write in matrix form
Another approch would be to note
(D^3+7D^2+6D+3)(a y''+b y'+c y)=0
thus A has (D^3+7D^2+6D+3) for a charateristic polynomial and construct A accordingly.
 
pat666 said:
So A will be (-7,-6,-3)?
The most interesting row will be. A should have 9 entries, 3rows 3 columns.
 
then the rest would be:
(1,0,0)
(0,1,0)
(-7,-6,-3)
*
<br /> \textbf{x} = (x_1,x_2,x_3)^T <br />

Does the ^T mean transpose?
 
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That is right, and ^ does mean transpose.
 
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I get x'=
(x_1)
(x_2)
(-7x_1-6x_2-3x_3)

What do I do now that I have x'

Thanks
 

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