400v Transformer for Geiger circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable transformer for a Geiger counter circuit, specifically addressing the challenges of sourcing components and understanding the circuit's requirements. Participants explore the implications of using transformers in a DC circuit and share their experiences with different schematics and parts sourcing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether two 200V transformers can be used together to achieve the required 400V output, expressing uncertainty about AC and DC integration in the circuit.
  • Another participant suggests contacting the original creators of the circuit for sourcing the transformer, while cautioning about the safety of working with high voltage circuits.
  • A participant mentions the necessity of completing the project for a school requirement, indicating a sense of urgency and pressure.
  • Some participants recommend searching for alternative schematics that provide more detailed information and parts sourcing, suggesting the use of Google Images for better results.
  • One participant reflects on their misunderstanding regarding the role of Zener diodes and the transformer, indicating a learning process regarding the circuit's components.
  • A later reply provides a resource for searching for flyback transformers on DigiKey, suggesting a method to find suitable components and manufacturers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding about the circuit and its components, with no consensus on the best approach to sourcing the transformer or the integration of AC and DC in the circuit. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific transformer requirements and safety considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit uncertainty about the specifications needed for the transformer and the implications of using multiple transformers in the circuit. There is also a lack of clarity on the safety aspects of working with high voltage in the context of their knowledge and experience.

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I'm trying to find a transformer for this circuit:

http://www.pocketmagic.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/geiger-simple-1b.jpg

I don't really know what to look for but I did find this:

http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G13599

If that outputs 200v can I just put two together and it will double the voltage?

Sorry if I'm completely off base here, but I also don't understand how AC would work in this circuit if the rest is in DC?
 
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turtleaja said:
I'm trying to find a transformer for this circuit:

http://www.pocketmagic.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/geiger-simple-1b.jpg

I don't really know what to look for but I did find this:

http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G13599

If that outputs 200v can I just put two together and it will double the voltage?

Sorry if I'm completely off base here, but I also don't understand how AC would work in this circuit if the rest is in DC?


Welcome to the PF.

Can't you just contact the PocketMagic folks to see if the transformer can be purchased somewhere? And no, you can't use 2 of the 200V transformers somehow in the DC-DC circuit.

And with your limited knowledge of electronics, do you really think it's safe for you to be working with a 400Vdc circuit? Why not start with safer projects until you build up your knowledge?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Can't you just contact the PocketMagic folks to see if the transformer can be purchased somewhere? And no, you can't use 2 of the 200V transformers somehow in the DC-DC circuit.

And with your limited knowledge of electronics, do you really think it's safe for you to be working with a 400Vdc circuit? Why not start with safer projects until you build up your knowledge?

Thank you for the kind welcome.

Honestly, I tried to find out how to contact them but I didn't put to much effort into it because the circuit I am using is not their updated schematic.

The reason why I'm working on this is because it's for a school project and the way the rules work I can either do this or fail (it's a fail this fail the class kind of project).

Well, thanks anyways
 
turtleaja said:
Thank you for the kind welcome.

Honestly, I tried to find out how to contact them but I didn't put to much effort into it because the circuit I am using is not their updated schematic.

The reason why I'm working on this is because it's for a school project and the way the rules work I can either do this or fail (it's a fail this fail the class kind of project).

Well, thanks anyways

So you are required to make a Geiger counter? Perhaps you can do some more searching to find a different schematic that has more info and parts sourcing info...

I like to use Google Images for this kind of search. In this case the search terms would be Geiger counter schematic.
 
berkeman said:
So you are required to make a Geiger counter? Perhaps you can do some more searching to find a different schematic that has more info and parts sourcing info...

I like to use Google Images for this kind of search. In this case the search terms would be Geiger counter schematic.

When I went looking at different schematics the one I chose looks to be the simplest and take up the least amount of space. I found all the parts too just not what is essentially the most important part.

Actually, I ordered all the parts because I thought the Zener diodes raised the voltage and I couldn't quite understand what the transformer was for. Now I see my mistake...

I just don't know the first place to look to even purchase a transformer that has those specifications.
 
turtleaja said:
When I went looking at different schematics the one I chose looks to be the simplest and take up the least amount of space. I found all the parts too just not what is essentially the most important part.

Actually, I ordered all the parts because I thought the Zener diodes raised the voltage and I couldn't quite understand what the transformer was for. Now I see my mistake...

I just don't know the first place to look to even purchase a transformer that has those specifications.

One way to search for typical examples of a component is to go to DigiKey.com and use their Parametric Search feature. I went to DigiKey and did a search on Flyback, then clicked into the DC-DC transformer selection, and searched on the Flyback type of transformer. That got me here:

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dkse...wproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV405=1458

Down near the bottom of the table you can see some photos of typical small flyback transformers, as well as listings of some typical manufacturers. You might go to those manufacturers' websites and search on the Mfg P/Ns listed at DigiKey, to see what their datasheets look like. They are typically paired up with IC manufacturer's DC-DC converter ICs, so you can also look at the websites of TI, Linear Technology, etc., to see the application circuits typically used to drive these transformers...
 

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