A 20 kg sphere is at the origin and a 10 kg sphere is at (x,y) = (20,0

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The problem involves determining the point or points where a small mass can be placed such that the net gravitational force on it from a 20 kg sphere at the origin and a 10 kg sphere at (20,0) is zero. The subject area is gravitational forces and their equilibrium conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the gravitational force equations and the need to set them equal to find a balance. There are attempts to clarify how to apply the equations and what variables to consider.

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Participants are exploring the relationships between the forces acting on the small mass and discussing the necessary equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the algebraic approach needed to solve for the unknowns, but there is still uncertainty about the application of constants and the setup of the equations.

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Some participants express confusion about the relevance of the gravitational constant G and the interpretation of the distances involved in the problem. There is an emphasis on the need for two equations to solve for the two unknowns related to the distances from the small mass to each sphere.

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Homework Statement



a 20 kg sphere is at the origin and a 10 kg sphere is at (x,y) = (20,0). at what point or points could you place a small mass such that the net gravitational force on it due to the spheres is zero?

Homework Equations



g=GM/r^2

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Can not figure out how to plug into the equation
 
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$$F = G \frac {m_{1}m_{2}}{r^2}$$

Might be a better option.

##r## is the radius between the two masses.
 
Thank you! How would I go about plugging my information into the equation?
I'm extremely new to physics and the textbook lacks information on solving this problem
 
Well, you know that your forces have to cancel out.

This means you can set your forces equal. The book tells you that you can go ahead and ignore the mass of the particle that you want to set in between them, so you'll have two equations.

$$F = G \frac {m_{1}}{{r_{1}}^2}$$

and $$F = G \frac {m_{2}}{{r_{2}}^2}$$

So you can simplify that using simple algebra pretty easily if you set those equation equal to each other. This will give you a relationship between ##r_{1}## and ##r_{2}##.

You'll need one more equation to solve for the two unknowns. Just remember that your two radii have to add up to be the original radius between the two spheres. From there you've got 2 equations and 2 unknowns, and you're set!
 
Thank you very much!
What does G equal?

And for the radius would I divide the distance by 2?
 
NG12 said:
Thank you very much!
What does G equal?

And for the radius would I divide the distance by 2?

No. r1 and r2 are the quantities you're trying to find, remember? They are the unknowns of your problem. If you could just divide the distance by two there would be no need to solve the problem to begin with...
 
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NG12 said:
Thank you very much!
What does G equal?

And for the radius would I divide the distance by 2?

G = 6.67 x 10^(-11) N m^2/kg^2, but you don't need to know that in order to solve that problem. Your approach ought to be 1st solve the algebraic equation and only then plug in the data. That should always be your approach. Algebra is your friend.
 
Okay, now I'm lost again. If I don't need to know what G is then what equation should I be using?
 
NG12 said:
Okay, now I'm lost again. If I don't need to know what G is then what equation should I be using?


G is a constant. It would end up cancelling out. Conceptually, there is nothing to this problem once you have the two force equations set equal to each other. It is simply algebra.

You need to examine this problem a little more closely and figure out how and what you are solving for.

You will have two unknowns, which means you will need at least two defining equations for your parameters. My earlier post gave you hints on how to find both.
 
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NG12 said:
Okay, now I'm lost again. If I don't need to know what G is then what equation should I be using?

Use the equation provided in post # 2 (twice - once for each force).

Solve the problem algebraically and then you will understand why you don't need to know the value of G.
 

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