A baseball is thrown from the outfield toward the home plate

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The problem involves a baseball being thrown from the outfield toward home plate, specifically examining the conservation of momentum in two scenarios: the momentum of the ball itself and the momentum of the earth-ball system, while neglecting air resistance.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss whether the momentum of the ball is conserved and explore the implications of external forces, particularly gravity, on momentum conservation. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of internal and external forces in relation to the system.

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Some participants have offered insights into the reasoning behind their answers, while others have questioned the clarity of those answers. There is ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of momentum conservation in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion regarding the role of air resistance and the definition of the system boundaries, particularly whether the atmosphere should be considered part of the earth-ball system.

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1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
A baseball is thrown from the outfield toward the home plate. a) Neglecting air resistance, is the momentum of the ball conserved during its flight? explain b) Neglecting the air resistance, is the momentum of the earth-ball system conserved during baseball’s flight? explain.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I think the statement in part A is false and part B is true, I just don't know if I'm am right please explain the answers. Thank in advance!
 
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Apple said:
1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
A baseball is thrown from the outfield toward the home plate. a) Neglecting air resistance, is the momentum of the ball conserved during its flight? explain b) Neglecting the air resistance, is the momentum of the earth-ball system conserved during baseball’s flight? explain.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I think the statement in part A is false and part B is true, I just don't know if I'm am right please explain the answers. Thank in advance!

We are not allowed to "explain the answers"; we are just allowed to offer hints. Surely you know why you gave those answers. What were your reasons?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
We are not allowed to "explain the answers"; we are just allowed to offer hints. Surely you know why you gave those answers. What were your reasons?
I assumed that there were no external forces since air resistance was neglected. So, when no external forces act on an object the total momentum is constant. The Earth in the system causes the external force (mg) to become internal to the system and is canceled out by the third law force pair of the gravitational force of the ball on the earth.Then there would be no more outside force that would be able to change the kinetic energy.
 
Apple said:
I assumed that there were no external forces since air resistance was neglected. So, when no external forces act on an object the total momentum is constant. The Earth in the system causes the external force (mg) to become internal to the system and is canceled out by the third law force pair of the gravitational force of the ball on the earth.Then there would be no more outside force that would be able to change the kinetic energy.

I can't actually make out from that what your answers are. Try, instead:

In a) momentum is conserved/not conserved [delete as applicable] because ...
 
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PeroK said:
I can't actually make out from that what your answers are. Try, instead:

In a) momentum is conserved/not conserved [delete as applicable] because ...
In a) momentum is not conserved because if there is an outside force acting on the ball (Gravity is an external force).
In b) momentum is conserved when the earth-ball system has no net momentum its final and initial momentum is the same, therefore it is constant.
 
Apple said:
In a) momentum is not conserved because if there is an outside force acting on the ball (Gravity is an external force).
In b) momentum is conserved when the earth-ball system has no net momentum its final and initial momentum is the same, therefore it is constant.

I think you've got the idea, although for b) you seem to have expressed things in an odd way. Did you think about using the term "internal forces" or "Newton's third law"?

That said, question b) is a bit odd, in that it mentions air resistance. That seems odd to me, because if you take the atmosphere out of the system, then the (solid) Earth and the ball are no longer a closed system. But, if the air is part of the Earth, then you have a closed system.
 
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