A box on a moving wedge, on an inclined plane

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a system involving a box on a moving wedge on an inclined plane. The initial Lagrangian presented is L=(1/2)m(𝑥̇₁²+𝑦̇₁²)+(1/2)M(𝑥̇₂²+𝑦̇₂²) - mgy₁cos(β) - Mgy₂cos(α). Participants emphasize the necessity of incorporating generalized coordinates to accurately account for the constraints of the system and to avoid oversimplification. Suggestions include defining a proper coordinate system and recognizing the distinct zero points for potential energies.

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Homework Statement


The situation is indicated in the diagram below. Block m is at rest, and the block M has an initial velocity upward. Need to find the Lagrangian of this system, and then the Euler-Lagrange equations.

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This is the Lagrange that I came up with from the beginning, but it seems like I am oversimplifying it:

[itex]T=(1/2)m(\dot{x_{1}}^{2}+\dot{y_{1}}^{2})+(1/2)M(\dot{x_{2}}^{2}+\dot{y_{2}}^{2})[/itex]

[itex]V= mgy_{1}cos(\beta) + Mgy_{2}cos(\alpha)[/itex]

[itex]L=(1/2)m(\dot{x_{1}}^{2}+\dot{y_{1}}^{2})+(1/2)M(\dot{x_{2}}^{2}+\dot{y_{2}}^{2}) - mgy_{1}cos(\beta) - Mgy_{2}cos(\alpha)[/itex]

Like I said, this seems over simplified and I feel like there should be some cross terms in the kinetic energies. The second attempt that I have made is try to come up with velocity vectors. In this case I have the velocity of the wedge with respect to the incline [itex]v_{w}=\left(\partial _tx_2\right)\hat{i}-\left(\partial _ty_2\right)\hat{j}[/itex] and the velocity of the box with respect to the wedge, with respect to the incline [itex]v_{B}=\left(\partial _tx_2\right)\hat{i}-\left(\partial _ty_2\right)\hat{j}+\left(\partial _tx_1\right)\hat{i}'-\left(\partial _ty_1\right)\hat{j}'[/itex].


Geometry has always been an extreme weakness of mine. It seems like I am approaching this in all of the wrong ways. Any suggestions would be helpful.
 

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You have to write your generalized coordinates at first, then you would have some cos sine dependence in the velocity. That is because the box is constrained to move in a certain way and by not introducing gen. coordinates you would simply get Newtons 2nd law.
Also your potential energies have different zero points?
Define a coordinate system
 

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