A car on black ice is on a banked road

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The problem involves a stationary car on black ice on a banked road, experiencing acceleration. Participants are discussing the forces contributing to this acceleration, particularly focusing on the roles of gravity and the normal force.

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  • Participants are exploring whether the acceleration is caused by gravity, the horizontal component of the normal force, or a combination of forces. There is confusion regarding the roles of these forces and their components in the context of banked turns.

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Some participants suggest that gravity is the primary force causing acceleration, while others consider the normal force's components. There is a recognition that a definitive answer may be required for the context of a high school physics course, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the discussion is framed within the constraints of a high school physics course, which may influence the interpretation of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


A stationary car on black ice (no friction) is on a banked road and begins to experience some acceleration. What force is causing the acceleration?

a) The horizontal component of the normal force
b) The vertical component of the normal force
c) Gravity

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This confused me, because the answer is clearly gravity (gsinx) but the horizontal component of the normal force also does make sense.

So is the answer a or c? From my understanding the normal force is only a reaction force... but it does make sense; say the normal force is applied at some angle; then isn't it possible for its x or y components to cause acceleration?

I'm not sure which is correct for bank turns, because I've learned that the horizontal component is from gravity (gsinx) but some websites say its the normal force (Nsinx). What would be the force in this scenario?
 
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In my view it's the resultant of all 3. Do you have to pick one?
If I had to pick one I'd say gravity, on the basis that the normal force is orthogonal to the direction of acceleration.
 
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haruspex said:
In my view it's the resultant of all 3. Do you have to pick one?
If I had to pick one I'd say gravity, on the basis that the normal force is orthogonal to the direction of acceleration.

Yes we have to pick one. It's a high school physics course so I guess gravity doing it would be enough
 
I would say gravity as well.
 
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