A determinant containing a variable

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a 4x4 determinant that includes a variable, x. Participants are exploring how to approach solving determinants of this nature, particularly when they yield a polynomial expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe attempts using elimination and cofactors, noting that these methods lead to a polynomial of the fourth degree. There are questions about the correctness of the polynomial and what specific values of x are being sought, particularly regarding the determinant's properties (e.g., whether it should equal zero).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their polynomial results and questioning the implications of those results. There is a lack of consensus on the next steps or the specific values of x that are relevant to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which the determinant is evaluated, specifically whether they are looking for values of x that make the determinant zero or non-zero.

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Homework Statement


I have this 4x4 determinant and usually these are just mechanical work, until I stumbled upon one containing x, how should one go about solving these type of determinants?
[x 2x 4 x ]
[1 2 2x 1 ]
[2x x-1 2 3x]
[ 2 x+1 x+3 x-1]
What are the different values of x?

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried ellimination and by using cofactors. When fully computed, it will be a polynomial of the 4th degree, as one probably can see.
Ellimination didn't make it simpler to factorize and cofactors just solved it until the polynomial popped up at the end-
 
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Quark Itself said:

Homework Statement


I have this 4x4 determinant and usually these are just mechanical work, until I stumbled upon one containing x, how should one go about solving these type of determinants?
[x 2x 4 x ]
[1 2 2x 1 ]
[2x x-1 2 3x]
[ 2 x+1 x+3 x-1]
What are the different values of x?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried ellimination and by using cofactors. When fully computed, it will be a polynomial of the 4th degree, as one probably can see.
Ellimination didn't make it simpler to factorize and cofactors just solved it until the polynomial popped up at the end-

What did you get?
 
8x4-22x3-22x2+47x+3
 
Mark44 said:
What did you get?

Quark Itself said:

Homework Statement


I have this 4x4 determinant and usually these are just mechanical work, until I stumbled upon one containing x, how should one go about solving these type of determinants?
[x 2x 4 x ]
[1 2 2x 1 ]
[2x x-1 2 3x]
[ 2 x+1 x+3 x-1]
What are the different values of x?

Quark Itself said:
8x4-22x3-22x2+47x+3

Is this your determinant?$$
\left|\begin{array}{cccc}
x & 2x & 4 & x \\
1 & 2 & 2x & 1\\
2x & x-1 & 2 & 3x\\
2 & x+1 & x+3 & x-1
\end{array}\right|$$
If so, your last two terms should be ##44x+12##. Still, once you have the polynomial correct, you haven't said what you are supposed to do with it. It doesn't make sense to ask "what are the different values of ##x##".
 
Quark Itself said:

Homework Statement


I have this 4x4 determinant and usually these are just mechanical work, until I stumbled upon one containing x, how should one go about solving these type of determinants?
[x 2x 4 x ]
[1 2 2x 1 ]
[2x x-1 2 3x]
[ 2 x+1 x+3 x-1]
What are the different values of x?
The different values of x that give the determinant what property? That it be 0? That it not be 0?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried ellimination and by using cofactors. When fully computed, it will be a polynomial of the 4th degree, as one probably can see.
Ellimination didn't make it simpler to factorize and cofactors just solved it until the polynomial popped up at the end-
 

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