A feather and a ball falling with air resistance

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a feather and a steel ball dropped from a height of 2.2 m, focusing on the effects of air resistance. The feather takes 3.5 seconds longer to hit the ground than the steel ball, which is assumed to experience negligible air resistance. The goal is to estimate the terminal velocity of the feather and its drag coefficient.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of calculus to derive the terminal velocity and drag coefficient, with one suggesting that the air resistance on the ball is negligible. There is also a question about whether conservation of energy principles apply in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to estimate the feather's terminal velocity and drag coefficient. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the time of fall for both objects, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the feather's drag coefficient and terminal velocity are to be estimated, and there is an assumption that the ball's air resistance can be neglected. The problem context suggests a need to consider the effects of air resistance on the feather specifically.

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Homework Statement


Suppose you drop a feather and a steel ball of equal masses (0.014 kg) at the same time from a height of 2.2 m and you are told that the feather hits the floor 3.5 s after the steel ball. Estimate the value of the terminal velocity of the feather in air. Then, estimate the feather's drag coefficient.

Homework Equations


mg - cv = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I did the calculus as I've done many times before and got that v=(mg/c)(1-e^(-ct/m)) and the terminal veocity = mg/c. The only other thing I feel I could do is assume the air resistance experienced by the ball is negligible, but I don't know how that helps me if I know so little about the feather.
 
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Follow-up: do I have to use conservation of energy?
 
BSH said:

Homework Statement


Suppose you drop a feather and a steel ball of equal masses (0.014 kg) at the same time from a height of 2.2 m and you are told that the feather hits the floor 3.5 s after the steel ball. Estimate the value of the terminal velocity of the feather in air. Then, estimate the feather's drag coefficient.

Homework Equations


mg - cv = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I did the calculus as I've done many times before and got that v=(mg/c)(1-e^(-ct/m)) and the terminal veocity = mg/c. The only other thing I feel I could do is assume the air resistance experienced by the ball is negligible, but I don't know how that helps me if I know so little about the feather.
I think that you should be able to calculate, or at least estimate c, to get a numerical answer for the terminal velocity of the feather. You know how long the steel ball is in the air (it's safe to assume no air resistance), and you know that the feather takes 3.5 sec. longer.

I haven't worked through this problem, but that's the tack I would take.
 
With air resistance there is no "conservation if energy".
 

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