Small Ball Falling: Velocity, Acceleration & Height vs Time

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The discussion revolves around a small ball falling from a height with air resistance modeled as a linear function of velocity. Participants are exploring how velocity, acceleration, and height change over time under the influence of gravity and air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differential equation derived from Newton's second law, questioning how to proceed after establishing the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and air resistance. There are attempts to integrate and manipulate the equation, with some participants expressing confusion about their results and the integration process.

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The discussion includes various attempts to solve the differential equation, with some participants providing insights into the integration steps. There is recognition of potential mistakes and the need to apply initial conditions to refine the solution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the handling of constants and integration.

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Initial conditions are mentioned but not fully utilized in the participants' approaches, specifically the initial height and velocity of the ball. There is an acknowledgment that these conditions could influence the final solution.

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1.Small ball with mass m falls from height h. Find how velocity, acceleration and height depend on time. Air resistance is linear and depends on velocity ##F = kv##.

2. Air resistance ##F=kv##
where ##k## is constant.

3. I do not know where to go after ##ma = mg - kv ##.
 
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Patrikp said:
1.Small ball with mass m falls from height h. Find how velocity, acceleration and height depend on time. Air resistance is linear and depends on velocity ##F = kv##.

2. Air resistance ##F=kv##
where ##k## is constant.

3. I do not know where to go after ##ma = mg - kv ##.
a = dv/dt and v = ds/dt
Do you know anything about solving differential equations?
 
Mark44 said:
a = dv/dt and v = ds/dt
Do you know anything about solving differential equations?

That is the problem... I know that a= dv/dt but where do I go then? I tried to integrate but got nowhere.
 
Mark44 said:
Show me what you did...

I wrote it like ## (dv)/(dt) + v(k/m)= g##
And then multiplied by ##e^{∫(k/m)dt}##
to get
##v= e^{-(∫(k/m)dt)}(∫ge^{∫(k/m)dt}dt + c)##
and that gave something wrong.
 
Patrikp said:
I wrote it like ## (dv)/(dt) + v(k/m)= g##
And then multiplied by ##e^{∫(k/m)dt}##
to get
##v= e^{-(∫(k/m)dt)}(∫ge^{∫(k/m)dt}dt + c)##
and that gave something wrong.
Why don't you simplify ##e^{\int (k/m)dt}##? There's no point in leaving it like this.
 
Mark44 said:
Why don't you simplify ##e^{\int (k/m)dt}##? There's no point in leaving it like this.
I simplified but did not write it here... Anyways the result i should get is ##v(t)= ((mg)/k )(1-e^{-((kt)/m))}) ## and I cannot get it. Do you see mistake ??
 
Your work should include a line like this:
$$ve^{(k/m)t} = g\int e^{(k/m)t}dt = g(m/k)e^{(k/m)t} + C$$
Now solve for v.
 
Mark44 said:
Your work should include a line like this:
$$ve^{(k/m)t} = g\int e^{(k/m)t}dt = g(m/k)e^{(k/m)t} + C$$
Now solve for v.
Thanks.
But I still can't get right result? And I always get that C hanging there?
 
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What do you get when you solve for v?
 
  • #11
Mark44 said:
What do you get when you solve for v?
##v= (g/m)k + Ce^{-((kt)/m)}##
 
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Patrikp said:
##v= (g/m)k + Ce^{-((kt)/m)}##
How did g(m/k) become (g/m)k? The other term looks fine.
 
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Mark44 said:
How did g(m/k) become (g/m)k? The other term looks fine.
It's typo. I don't know why the solution is wrong then.
Thanks for help!
 
  • #14
There are initial conditions that aren't being used -- at t = 0, s(0) = h and v(0) = 0. The initial velocity isn't given explicitly, but I am inferring it from the statement in the 1st post - small ball falls from height h.

Use v(0) = 0 to get rid of the constant C. Otherwise, the solution is correct, which I've checked, and you should as well.
 
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